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RE: Time to decide what's worse ->
February 4, 2018 at 3:08 pm
Polls are worse than both of those hypotheticals. 😛
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RE: Time to decide what's worse ->
February 4, 2018 at 6:24 pm
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The Placebo effect may be nice but I am certain I would overall be less happy as a theist because I'd waste my time praying and worrying about what God thinks instead of listening to and making music. It's a waste of time. God is a waste of time.
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RE: Time to decide what's worse ->
February 4, 2018 at 7:25 pm
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(February 4, 2018 at 12:59 pm)pool the matey Wrote: What's worse - You believe in a god all your life but when you die it's nothing,no afterlife , no punishment for your sins or reward for your good deeds... It's just blank. Or the opposite?
For scenario 2, it depends on where the person goes lol.
(February 4, 2018 at 1:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Find out you wasted the one life that was given to you, following a god that never existed? Or live life to the fullest, going only by what there's evidence for, and finding out eternity waits for you after all? I'd say the first. Granted there's the threat of some god that will cast you into a fire, or abandon you completely, because you didn't believe in something there was no evidence for. That says more about the god than you, though.
Well you wouldn't "find out" first of all, because you would just be dead without any consciousness left. And believing in God doesn't mean you're "wasting your life".
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RE: Time to decide what's worse ->
February 4, 2018 at 7:30 pm
Pascal, you devil, is that you?
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RE: Time to decide what's worse ->
February 4, 2018 at 7:49 pm
(February 4, 2018 at 7:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: (February 4, 2018 at 12:59 pm)pool the matey Wrote: What's worse - You believe in a god all your life but when you die it's nothing,no afterlife , no punishment for your sins or reward for your good deeds... It's just blank. Or the opposite?
For scenario 2, it depends on where the person goes lol.
(February 4, 2018 at 1:04 pm)Chad32 Wrote: Find out you wasted the one life that was given to you, following a god that never existed? Or live life to the fullest, going only by what there's evidence for, and finding out eternity waits for you after all? I'd say the first. Granted there's the threat of some god that will cast you into a fire, or abandon you completely, because you didn't believe in something there was no evidence for. That says more about the god than you, though.
Well you wouldn't "find out" first of all, because you would jusy be dead without any consciousness left. And believing in God doesn't mean you're "wasting your life".
It is a waste from the position of an outsider. But that might come off a bit more callous than I intend for it to, to a believer. I might should word it better.
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RE: Time to decide what's worse ->
February 4, 2018 at 8:08 pm
(February 4, 2018 at 12:59 pm)pool the matey Wrote: What's worse - You believe in a god all your life but when you die it's nothing,no afterlife , no punishment for your sins or reward for your good deeds... It's just blank. Or the opposite?
It depends on which god it is, and what they're like as a god.
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RE: Time to decide what's worse ->
February 4, 2018 at 8:28 pm
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What's worse?
1) You believe in a god all your life but when you die it's nothing,no afterlife , no punishment for your sins or reward for your good deeds... It's just blank.
2) You don't believe in a god but when you die, you realize you should have because he's real. And your life without believing in him is therefore counted as a sin, making it so that you have to deal with the punishment.
3) You believe in a god all your life but when you die you find out that rather than him wanting to believe in him, his one requirement to getting into heaven was you NOT believing in him. And finding out that's why he didn't leave any evidence of his involvement behind in the first place.
Serious, pool, without anything substantial to back up scenario 2, scenario 3 is EXACTLY as likely.
Pascal's wager gives you no advantage. Because not only does it assume the one God you 'could' believe in, is the right one. It makes the assumption that we can understand the inner mechanisations and reasonings of a being that hypothetically has infinitely more knowledge and wisdom than us and looks at the world (an time and space) from a fundamentally different position.
Pascal's wager is mental masturbation; nothing more.
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RE: Time to decide what's worse ->
February 4, 2018 at 10:58 pm
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I can see it now, lol. You accepted -what- for all the shitty things you ever did in life!?!
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RE: Time to decide what's worse ->
February 4, 2018 at 11:43 pm
(February 4, 2018 at 12:59 pm)pool the matey Wrote: What's worse - You believe in a god all your life but when you die it's nothing,no afterlife , no punishment for your sins or reward for your good deeds... It's just blank. Or the opposite?
The opposite being you wake up and are at the mercy of an omni-despot who will either torture you eternally or expect you to toss his salad for all time? Hell, give me the nothing, please.
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RE: Time to decide what's worse ->
February 5, 2018 at 12:46 am
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(February 4, 2018 at 12:59 pm)pool the matey Wrote: What's worse - You believe in a god all your life but when you die it's nothing,no afterlife , no punishment for your sins or reward for your good deeds... It's just blank. Or the opposite?
What makes you think those are the only two options?
You tell me what is worse - going to hell for eternity, because you lived your life as a free man, or going to hell for eternity, because you lived your life as a slave to the wrong invisible wizard?
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