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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 1:55 pm
I should also point out that the OP is mistaken in this regard.
(March 6, 2018 at 8:37 pm)Cecelia Wrote: First and Foremost I will state that it is of utmost importance to remember than any stories in the Norse Tales are second hand stories, passed down, and are not in fact the word of Odin himself. Any stories told are simply allegory or misunderstandings of an ancient group of people. Therefore, I will not accept any evidence that debunks Norse Tales--because they are just that. I can easily dismiss all claims to the contrary as "Allegory" much like our Christian friends do. And I have good reason to--after all, the Norse tales aren't the word of Odin himself, like the Bible claims to be the word of god.
I have never claimed that any of the stories in the Bible were pure allegory, I have even went so far to issue a challenge to anyone who thinks they are capable of debunking the Bible scientifically to do so.
(October 19, 2017 at 12:43 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Name one thing in the Bible that scientific knowledge has debunked.
People believe the Bible can be debunked scientifically, yet they fail at debunking it
People claim the Bible is contradictory, yet they fail at proving contradictions.
So why is the OP afraid of Odin being put under the same scrutiny?
If I believe the Bible to be truth then I believe that it can withstand scrutiny.
Lies can be debunked, truth can't
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 1:56 pm
(March 7, 2018 at 1:35 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: (March 7, 2018 at 1:31 pm)Grandizer Wrote: No, victory conditions are who has more evidence corresponding better to one's position than the other. You're failing big time so far, and I note you haven't bothered to address my challenge yet.
Who are you to say what the victory conditions are or aren't?
Because the same evidence could be argued as supporting opposite sides, if we don't first assign proper likelihoods to the evidence given each competing position. Not trying to be difficult here for the sake of it. This is how it should be done.
Regardless, if you want to do it your way, then what Jorm said.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 2:06 pm
I believe that we should just give the best debater award ahead of time. He might strech too much.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 2:08 pm
Quote:Name one thing in the Bible that scientific knowledge has debunked.
Child's play.
Quote:52 and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised; 53 and coming out of the graves after His resurrection, they went into the holy city and appeared to many.
Matty 27
I don't think we even need scientific knowledge for that. A little common sense would do it which I realize is in short supply among religitards.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 2:09 pm
(March 6, 2018 at 9:02 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: Odin is not a necessary being. So it doesn't matter. Next.
Yeah! Totes!
That's why personally I believe in Odin 2.0. He's exactly the same as Odin except he created the universe and part of his definition is that he's necessary for the universe to exist.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 2:09 pm
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(March 7, 2018 at 1:55 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: I should also point out that the OP is mistaken in this regard.
(March 6, 2018 at 8:37 pm)Cecelia Wrote: First and Foremost I will state that it is of utmost importance to remember than any stories in the Norse Tales are second hand stories, passed down, and are not in fact the word of Odin himself. Any stories told are simply allegory or misunderstandings of an ancient group of people. Therefore, I will not accept any evidence that debunks Norse Tales--because they are just that. I can easily dismiss all claims to the contrary as "Allegory" much like our Christian friends do. And I have good reason to--after all, the Norse tales aren't the word of Odin himself, like the Bible claims to be the word of god.
I have never claimed that any of the stories in the Bible were pure allegory, I have even went so far to issue a challenge to anyone who thinks they are capable of debunking the Bible scientifically to do so.
(October 19, 2017 at 12:43 am)Huggy74 Wrote: Name one thing in the Bible that scientific knowledge has debunked.
People believe the Bible can be debunked scientifically, yet they fail at debunking it
People claim the Bible is contradictory, yet they fail at proving contradictions.
So why is the OP afraid of Odin being put under the same scrutiny?
If I believe the Bible to be truth then I believe that it can withstand scrutiny.
Lies can be debunked, truth can't
Because the truth of Odin isn't found in books, but in the essence of His Divinity. How dare you think you could even put Almighty Odin under scrutiny! He is not a small tiny god like your little Yahweh ...
Also, feel free to post a new thread about Bible contradictions. I'm up for the challenge of providing with what I see to be clear contradictions in the Bible.
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 2:13 pm
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 2:13 pm
(March 6, 2018 at 9:31 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I've always loved the way theists make up magic words and phrases and think that's the end of a discussion.
"Necessary being?"
WTF?
I now posit a necessary invisible intangible cauliflower that permanently rests on everyone's genitals. You not only can't disprove it but it must exist because it's necessary by definition, otherwise it wouldn't be a necessary invisible intangible cauliflower! It's a necessary one not an unnecessary one so it MUST rest on y'all's genitals! I mean, DUH!
My necessary invisible intangible cauliflower has never tickled my balls, of course.... because it's intangible so I can't feel it!
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 2:15 pm
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RE: Disproving Odin - An Experiment in arguing with a theist with Theist logic
March 7, 2018 at 2:17 pm
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(March 7, 2018 at 2:13 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Adonai the name used to refer to God, became Adonis who was formerly know as the god Tammuz in Babylon.
There's no evidence that Odin never existed thereby you can't disprove him.
I think it's fucking hilarious that any theist thinks he can disprove other gods.
You know what's most hilarious of all? The Bible is full of contradictions so many versions of the Christian God are impossible.... but Odin isn't impossible at all.
A God that knows the future but also gives you free will to do other than what he knows you will do... is impossible. That's just one example of a version of the Christian God that is impossible. Odin isn't declared to be both omniscient and give people the ability to go against what he knows.... if any God can be disproved.... it's the Biblical God.
Another version of the Christian God that is impossible is any interpretation of the Christian God's omnipotence that means he can create square circles or anything else logically impossible.
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