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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 7:07 pm
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(March 18, 2018 at 4:54 pm)chimp3 Wrote: (March 18, 2018 at 4:26 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: I mean, it's 2 different fields. Science is the study of the physical world around us. That doesn't mean the person who studies the world can't also go to church on sundays and believe in God. "Secular humanism", based on your definition, sounds like it actually opposes belief in God.
No! Only in that we seek earthly solutions to earthly problems. A believer can join in an earthly approach to a problem - such as finding a cure for a disease - then go to church a pray for gods help. On an earlier thread you mentioned Lemaitre and the Big Bang. I would also include Martin Luther King. He advocated for changing minds, laws, and morality. He did not advocate for angels coming to our rescue. His "letter from a Birmingham Jail" is one of the greatest humanist treatise ever written:
https://www.africa.upenn.edu/Articles_Ge...ngham.html
Ah, ok, I understand now. And yeah, that's how it should be for all religious folks. It would be presumptuous to not actually DO anything except pray and expect God to divinely intervene every time there is a problem in the world. In that case, being a humanist is just being a normal person lol.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 7:38 pm
Secular Humanism (note the capitalization) is a specific brand of humanism. It would make no sense for a theist to self-label as a Secular Humanist because that brand of humanism specifically eschews gods. That is not necessarily the case with other brands of humanism or humanism in general.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 7:47 pm
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(March 18, 2018 at 7:38 pm)AFTT47 Wrote: Secular Humanism (note the capitalization) is a specific brand of humanism. It would make no sense for a theist to self-label as a Secular Humanist because that brand of humanism specifically eschews gods. That is not necessarily the case with other brands of humanism or humanism in general.
Wiki: Humanism is compatible with atheism[/url] and agnosticism,but being atheist or agnostic does not automatically make one a humanist. Nevertheless, humanism is diametrically opposed to state atheism. According to Paul Kurtz, considered by some to be the founder of the American secular humanist movement, one of the differences between Marxist–Leninist atheists and humanists is the latter's commitment to "human freedom and democracy" while stating that the militant atheism of the Soviet Union consistently violated basic human rights. Kurtz also stated that the "defense of religious liberty is as precious to the humanist as are the rights of the believers". Greg M. Epstein states that, "modern, organized Humanism began, in the minds of its founders, as nothing more nor less than a religion without a God".
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 7:54 pm
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So being humanist is basically just being a normal, decent person.
Secular humanists are the atheist ones, and theist humanists are the religious ones.
I gots disss guys, I gots dissss. 
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 8:00 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 7:54 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: So being humanist is basically just being a normal, decent person.
Secular humanists are the atheist ones, and theist humanists are the religious ones.
I gots disss guys, I gots dissss.
In the U.S. we value education. So we set up secular non-religious schools to give every kid a chance at education. Secular because no church had control over the curriculum.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 9:37 pm
Are you saying that there are secular humanist institutions that charter schools and stuff, just like religious institutions do?
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 10:16 pm
(March 18, 2018 at 9:37 pm)vulcanlogician Wrote: Are you saying that there are secular humanist institutions that charter schools and stuff, just like religious institutions do? I am saying that the US public school system is a secular institution.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 10:41 pm
I'm working on becoming a strict humanitarian.
Humans DON'T taste like chicken.
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 18, 2018 at 10:51 pm
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(March 18, 2018 at 10:41 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: I'm working on becoming a strict humanitarian.
Humans DON'T taste like chicken.
If you bread and deep fry, most things taste like chicken! That is why we have chicken fried steak!
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RE: Ask a Secular Humanist!
March 19, 2018 at 6:55 am
(March 18, 2018 at 3:00 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Can I be considered humanist while being a person of faith? Or is that term only for non believers?
Get your own label lady. Typical whitey, always stealing others stuff. 
Wait, I am white too.
Look as long as that individual values peace, non violence, and diplomacy, then the worst you will get from me is "bullshit, on the issue of religion. Outside that I'd still lend you aid if you were in a car accident. I'd still value policies that would give you a stable life. I would want you as a neighbor if you were quiet and non violent.
There is a multi label org called Americans United(for separation of church and state)...... Has members of all religious labels and I am sure quite a few atheists too.
http://www.au.org
Basically we can get along yes.
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