Question for the heterosexual men of AF

[John V]

This thread is about nothing more than differing definitions of the term transphobic.

This is partially correct, but it seems there's more to it. In another thread Hammy said he doesn't think visually, and can't, for instance, picture things in his mind for sexual purposes. Maybe he just doesn't get how disruptive such visualizations (and they'd be inevitable) would be for many people.

[Amarok]

I haven't yet been able to wrap my brain around the need to surgically remove perfectly healthy body parts. I am open to understanding. I just don't yet . If I fell in love with a woman with a penis, the parts wouldn't matter.  I mean totally head over hills in love. The sexual attraction might not be there but then again it might. I've never been in the situation. I certainly wouldn't judge anyone for those types of decisions. We all go through stuff...we all deal with it somehow...and...we move on. Would it be a deal breaker ? I honestly don't know.

There was a case where a woman with perfectly healthy legs were psychologically so uncomfortable with her legs that she repeated attempted to get doctors to amputate them for her.  When she could not find any doctor who would consent to amputating perfectly healthy legs, she purchased bagged dry ice from an industrial supply store, plunged her legs into the bagged dry ice, kept it there for several hours so they were literally frozen solid completely through, so they doctors had no choice but to amputate the now completely necrotic legs.

But surely you not trying to compare that to gender reassignment surgery

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WOW! What an incredible argument /sarcasm

The point is "they", their identity, is not the same thing as their body. The self is the personality, and their personality didn't match a penis, nor did their personality "have a penis", the body that inhabited their personality did. And there was a sense in which it wasn't a body that was truly theirs, it was merely a body they inhabited. They felt like a stranger in that body, and that is the dysphoria that transpeople experience that you do not seem to grasp.




Again though, we're not talking about rubber vaginas or poor imitations of vaginas. We're talking about artifical vaginas so convincing and attached to people so convincing that you literally wouldn't know the difference if you were ever told that there was one.

You could be more attracted to them than any other ciswoman, simply because they look like a very attractive ciswoman and you're unable to tell the difference. The fact you'd start thinking about what they were rather than what they are (or as I said, it wasn't really them that was that way before, it was the body they felt like a stranger inside).... and what has that got to do with anything? If you continue to look at the transwoman and find their personality and body to be just as attractive as before you knew they were trans.... the fact that you can't stop thinking about penises and the penis that is no longer relevant.... says nothing about your repulsion to them and everything about your repulsion to your obsession with penises and thinking about a specific penis you've never seen outside your own imagination, and has absolutely nothing to do with the person you're still attracted to, but pretending not to be, because you can't stop thinking about penises. If a repulsion to penis gets away with your being mindful of a person you're still attracted to for all the exact same reasons as before, then that's not the same thing as actually no longer being attracted to them.

In relation to the first bolded part, the point I'm trying to make is that there is at least primitive sexual attraction to any sort of representation of what might be a signs of a healthy fertile female but that it isn't an indication of sexual attraction as a whole as it's commonly talked about.  Because people aren't entirely governed in terms of sexual preferences by basic sexual instinct and they're also nullified by conscious ideas and thoughts and they can affect fairly primitive feelings of disgust.  

For an example, straight males are attracted at a primitive level to any sort of representation of what might be signs of a healthy fertile female, at a less basic level than that there's very commonly at least some level of disgust at having sex with close family members no matter how sexually attractive they are.
I don't have sisters, but I imagine it's possible for a man to be checking out a girl from behind and feel sexual attraction then feel repulsion when he realizes it's his sister.  
It's not that he's pretending to not be attracted, but also I'd say it's not that there isn't a level of primitive sexual urge still there, it's just been nullified by conscious disgust at a more intricate level of the brain. This is just a guess since I imagine sexual attraction is a way more earlier occurrence in evolution than disgust of incest in any animals brain.

And I don't believe that one part of the brain or one instinct indefinitely governs the other, I think sexual urges can nullify disgust and vice versa, and it's fluctuating based on levels of sexual urges (horniness) and varying levels and ideas of disgust.

The second part bolded, it was them that was that way before.

The third part bolded,  I have a sexual repulsion to the idea of a vagina cavity being made out of a surgically altered penis.  That's not an obsession, it's actually not even a deep thought, it's a basic sexual repulsion to the idea.


I don't believe it's equal to a phobia, or can be compared to racism.

But it is as a phobia is also revolution or disgust . Just saying.

[Catholic_Lady]

I have revulsion and disgust at the thought of having sex with women, or with my brothers. Has nothing to do with phobias lol.

[Rev. Rye]

I'd say it was a deal breaker, but for different reasons than most other people: I'm a foot fetishist. I love women's feet, men's feet a lot less so. Guess which part of the body doesn't get the full-image makeover during gender transition? Fast-forward to 1:40 to hear Prior Walter answer it: 





Okay, so it's drag and not transsexuality (clearly not even close to the same thing), but, at least in this case, the point still stands. Caitlyn Jenner has done an impressive job of going from aging Olympian Bruce to passing for a woman half their age, but the feet are still recognizably male. I mean, sure, they go through a lot of shit, transitions can turn a biological male into a damn good simulation of a biological female (and I hope it gets better in the future), and not having the ability to bear children is a definite plus in my book, but still having recognizably male feet is just not my bag.

At least, if put in that situation, I'd try to break it gently, preferably before it went to this:

[Amarok]

I have revulsion and disgust at the thought of having sex with women, or with my brothers. Has nothing to do with phobias lol.

Did i say it did?

And comparing trans to incest ?

And what do you mean women ?

[paulpablo]

I have revulsion and disgust at the thought of having sex with women, or with my brothers. Has nothing to do with phobias lol.

Did i say it did?

And comparing trans to incest ?

And what do you mean women ?

You said a phobia is revulsion or disgust. Well you said revolution instead of revulsion but I'm guessing it was a typo.

She was using revulsion to incest as an example of finding a sexual act with a person revolting not being equal to having a phobia of that person, no where close to saying being trans is like incest.

[Amarok]

It is a Revulsion or Anxiety to some element of a person thing or situation . But point out i never said CL was a transphobe. As for her counterexample it's the same argument a actual transphobe could use or any other form of bigot could imply to excuse away their behaviour . And no i'm not accusing anyone of anything .

[Losty]

Here's an animation showing how it's done. I find medical type stuff interesting, but my apologies to the mods if this is too graphic to post.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PF9aeIk6vII

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This link has been added back to the post. We have decided that it is educational and non-pornographic

[Catholic_Lady]

Lol good news

[Anomalocaris]

I have revulsion and disgust at the thought of having sex with women, or with my brothers. Has nothing to do with phobias lol.

To uphold our tradition of mutural disagreement, I have to say I have no revulsion or disgust whatsoever at the thought of you having sex with women.