Apologists that may be lying

[Drich]

[The Valkyrie]

They're apologists. They make a living by lying.

[vorlon13]

Mark 15 (KJV)

21 And they compel one Simon a Cyrenian, who passed by, coming out of the country, the father of Alexander and Rufus, to bear his cross.


John 19 (KJV)

16 Finally Pilate handed him over to them to be crucified. So the soldiers took charge of Jesus. 17 Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha). 18 There they crucified him, and with him two others—one on each side and Jesus in the middle.

[Neo-Scholastic]

I doesn't surprise me that some believers actually lie about what they truly believe. At the same time I don't think believers have a monopoly on lying. The degree to which the likes of Dennett and Dawkins straw-man suggests to me that they know their objections do not adequately challenge arguments such as the Argument from Reason, the Thomistic demonstrations, mathematical efficacy, and fine-tuning. I'm not saying that these arguments are unassailable, just that the skeptics intentionally ignore their merits and mis-characterize them in order to indulge in ridicule.

[Mister Agenda]

That's not what the Dominionists who are trying to take over the USA and control what is taught in our classrooms are selling. It's not a strawman to focus on the arguments of the people who are the biggest threat to education and government neutrality towards religion. Dawkins got into the biz over frustration with all the creationists who kept turning up in his biology classes. Most of the people claiming dinosaurs and people lived together never heard of mathematical efficacy.

[Greatest I am]

[Chad32]

When something is ingrained in the culture enough, it's not an easy fix to get rid of it.

[Greatest I am]

When something is ingrained in the culture enough, it's not an easy fix to get rid of it.

I agree, but this is the mainstream religions we are talking about and it is quite easy to make a case that they are lying to us for the cash. That is fraud, so I just see it as a battle to get our police to start following the law and laying charges to fraudsters.

The trick would be to have enough cash to pay for a decent lawyer and get some charges laid. The domino effect would do the rest of the hard work.

Regards
DL

[Succubus]

[JackRussell]

Well atheism is a dogma, NDE's and reincarnation prove that. The global flood proves that the world is immersed in sin and Gabriel told me my wife is hot. Shiva proves thermodynamics, but the second premise disproves evolution. Plants can regrow therefore resurrection is a part of the law of biogenesis and I have faith that I will lose 21 ounces when I die.

Jesus proves everything I say and if you don't believe that you hate me and him and you are angry. There are no inconsistencies anywhere apart from abiogenesis. Nothing starts without a cause and that cause is the greatest thing ever because it must be, but the towel heads that came up with it got it wrong.

God hates slavery and the slaves loved it anyway because virgins and babies love slavery or genocide, but genocide was legit because bad babies may become badder. Babies that die horribly are welcome to have a lovely time with me anyway in a magical world of milk and honey. I know you would prefer beer and spliffs, but milk and honey it is.

There will be a reckoning, but I will suck some of you into a worm whole so a scumbag can make money with books glorifying the misery of those left behind. I am not sure if I will turn up pre or post tribulation, but Dad, who is a third of me but we don't share a plan, has it all figured out.

When you are with me, you can watch all the decent people that weren't quite convinced because, well, i tended to stay a bit silent, meditation and all. Well, they will not be happy, but, despite being okay peeps, and despite you being hateful arseholes, you can watch them burn.

You better believe I am the Buddha.