You guys are well versed in these paradigms and arguments. I'm just presenting summaries of them in Quran.
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Arguments for God in Quran.
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Summaries of the breathless claims of magic book are not arguments..or summaries of arguments.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (April 2, 2018 at 11:48 am)Hammy Wrote:(April 2, 2018 at 11:47 am)MysticKnight Wrote: You know me best out of most Atheists. You are right, it's exactly that. No one knows what reason is, but God. It's his secret weapon and trial.
-jumped the shark.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 11:53 am
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2018 at 11:57 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(April 2, 2018 at 11:37 am)MysticKnight Wrote: By the way that verse provides the best way to present the moral argument. Instead using the word morality, it uses guidance and says guidance is from God. That's not an argument, that's a bare assertion that begs the question of God's existence. Quote:That way we don't get into this relativism and what not debate nor discuss what it is, it clarifies it and summarizes it and brings in a very eloquent manner. We don't need religious superstition to avoid moral relativism. Quote:And then the verse of God is the light, is absolutely beautiful. Presents the moral argument and makes you perceive it to be true beyond doubt. Your subjective viewpoint of the beauty of something that I myself find incredibly ugly, like others who agree with me that the Quran is a vile and disgusting book full of barbarism, much like the Old Testament, doesn't prove anything. Even if everyone agreed the book was beautiful, so is the Lord of the Rings, but that doesn't prove the existence of Gandalf . . . (April 2, 2018 at 11:50 am)MysticKnight Wrote:(April 2, 2018 at 11:48 am)Hammy Wrote: LOL you say I wouldn't know a proof and you don't even know what reason is. So you're trying to use reason to prove God but despite not understanding what reason is and failing to even provide an argument, your proof for the validity of your own supposed reasoning is that it comes from God? MK, you just demonstrated the perfect example of circular reasoning. You prove God with non-reason that you deem to be reason and not non-reason because your non-reason comes from God so it must in fact be reasonable! Checkmate atheists! 
You can use a stick without knowing everything about it, God has created things with abstraction. There is levels of abstraction.
Then use the stick.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (April 2, 2018 at 11:57 am)MysticKnight Wrote: You can use a stick without knowing everything about it, God has created things with abstraction. There is levels of abstraction. What are you trying to achieve with this thread, MK?
Nay_Sayer: “Nothing is impossible if you dream big enough, or in this case, nothing is impossible if you use a barrel of KY Jelly and a miniature horse.”
Wiser words were never spoken. (April 2, 2018 at 12:00 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:(April 2, 2018 at 11:57 am)MysticKnight Wrote: You can use a stick without knowing everything about it, God has created things with abstraction. There is levels of abstraction. Just to show what I believe are sound arguments in Quran for God to people who are interested in seeing that. RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 2, 2018 at 12:02 pm
(This post was last modified: April 2, 2018 at 12:02 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I think he's a masochist. He's getting his sick jollies off for the day.
 @Mystic Surprise surprise, you believe many silly things.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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