Arguments for God in Quran.

[Edwardo Piet]

Guys it's very easy to extract from the verse.


1. There is such thing as real guidance (moral guidance that love acts by)
2. The real guidance would be guidance from God or otherwise impossible.
3.  Therefore God exists.

Premise one is false.
Premise two is false
-and the conclusion doesn't follow from premise one or two anyway.

Next.

No, the conclusion follows because premise 1 states that something exists and premise 2 states that god needs to exist for that itself to exist therefore the conclusion does follow.

The problem is the premises are bullshit and MK doesn't seem to comprehend that you can make a perfectly valid argument for the existence of anything but without soundness it's doomed.

[Mystic]

Guidance, honey. 

Guidance assumes the existence of a guide.  You wouldn’t be assuming your conclusion, now would you?

Exactly, morality is a guide! Now is it a living guide or just a concept like a written code we hardwired by!

We are getting somewhere!

That was going to be the next stage of the moral argument discussion in Quran.... will quote verses later!

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Are you going to reformulate your argument, or not?

No need.

[The Grand Nudger]

Fine, sigh, I'll do it for you.

1.  Morality is a guide.
2. The real guidance would be guidance from God or otherwise impossible.
3.  Therefore God exists.

1, granted.
2, remains false

The conclusion still doesn't follow from the premises.

[FatAndFaithless]

[Edwardo Piet]

Define "real guidance."

I put in parenthesis.

And I also asked for the definition of that . . .


You also need to justify premise 2.

Both these premises should be reasoned to... they should themselves be conclusions from yet another argument with premises, and so on. You don't come into this world and start with premises from the Quran (and even if you did it would be rational to question them).

[Mystic]

Fine, sigh, I'll do it for you.

1.  Morality is a guide.
2. The real guidance would be guidance from God or otherwise impossible.
3.  Therefore God exists.

1, granted.
2, remains false

The conclusion still doesn't follow from the premises.

We'll see....

[Edwardo Piet]

Guidance, honey. 

Guidance assumes the existence of a guide.  You wouldn’t be assuming your conclusion, now would you?

Don't you get it?!??!?!?

Love from a creator implies a creator! Duh!

[Mystic]

I put in parenthesis.

And I also asked for the definition of that . . .


You also need to justify premise 2.

Both these premises should be reasoned to... they should themselves be conclusions from yet another argument with premises, and so on. You don't come into this world and start with premises from the Quran (and even if you did it would be rational to question them).

Did you read what I wrote in parenthesis? If so what's your issue?

[The Grand Nudger]

We have seen.  Would you like to reformulate the argument, again?

[Edwardo Piet]

Are you going to reformulate your argument, or not?

No need.

Then I shall again re-assert my own equally shitty counterargument that mirrors your argument in terms of shittiness, and just expect you to accept it:

1. There is such a thing as real magic.
2. Real magic would be from real spell-casting wizards or otherwise impossible.
3. Therefore real spell-casting wizards exist

So do you believe in real spell-casting wizards now or do you want me to reformulate my argument?

You reformulate yours and I'll reformulate mine too, deal?