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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 6:27 am
What dialogue? Premise two is false..and trivially so. End of discussion. At least premise one has merit, lol.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 6:29 am
Recognition of guidance vs deciding guidance ourselves, the latter being paradoxical.
Let's get past that. And we'll see. Don't twist and turn.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 6:30 am
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You're the only one with the hangup.
-the moral statement "rape is wrong" is not made more -or- less true by the existence or nonexistence of a god.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 6:34 am
Let's get past the basics: do you recognize guidance or do you decide it?
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 6:36 am
For the umpteenth time, I'm a moral realist. I can no more decide what is or isn't right or wrong than I can decide whether or not the sun rises.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 6:38 am
So what is the source of your guidance? Is yourself? Is it a code in your brain written by genetics?
And is dynamic or pre-settled.
If dynamic, how does it grow and adapt.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 6:39 am
I'm a moral realist, so my "guidance" is moral fact.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 6:40 am
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And please don't go this empathy thing again. Answer the questions.
(April 3, 2018 at 6:39 am)Khemikal Wrote: I'm a moral realist, so my "guidance" is moral fact.
Where is the moral fact written?
How do you perceive it?
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 6:43 am
(April 3, 2018 at 6:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Where is the moral fact written? ....there's more than just one book in the world, lol.....but, the fun thing about moral facts is that they don't need to be written anywhere. Being written isn't how something is made a fact.
Quote:How do you perceive it?
Same way I perceive anything, same way you perceive anything.
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RE: Arguments for God in Quran.
April 3, 2018 at 6:47 am
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(April 3, 2018 at 6:43 am)Khemikal Wrote: (April 3, 2018 at 6:40 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Where is the moral fact written? ....there's more than just one book in the world, lol.....but, the fun thing about moral facts is that they don't need to be written anywhere. Being written isn't how something is made a fact.
Quote:How do you perceive it?
Same way I perceive anything, same way you perceive anything.
Both these answers are very wrong. I will let you assess why.
For number 2, it's really not the same as any perception. For example, it's not the same as how you see the color brown. And it's not the same how you read a sentence and derive it's meaning.
As for 1, it's written somewhere, so again, is it by genetics in your brain or what?
Don't just answer playfully. Really think about it.
Your 2 contradicts your 1.
Because everything you perceive is somewhere, it exists somewhere, even what you imagine exists in your head.
But in 1, you are stating you perceive moral facts which exist no where.
It's no wonder you don't see the moral argument for what it is. You have inconsistency, in your understanding of morality.
It exists no where yet you believed it absolutely. At the very least, you would state like Hammy that they exist in your brain and you are your brain, and hence you guide yourself, but we saw how that was a paradox by definition of guidance and morality.
It becomes self-deciding as opposed to recognition.
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