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Are you a Trump supporter?
#61
RE: Are you a Trump supporter?
(April 15, 2018 at 12:58 pm)henryp Wrote:
(April 15, 2018 at 12:26 pm)Hammy Wrote: Yes I do and that's still the case regardless of if you honestly believe me so to think otherwise is just yourself wasting your own time with pointless speculation.

Which is fine by me, I don't care if a Trumptard wastes their time.

Of course I'm wasting my time.  This is all just a hobby.  And I'm not arguing with anyone that I'm aware of.  Just a friendly discussion.  Some of you lot just get worked up rather easily.

That is of course not the sense in which I meant it. I meant it as in you are wasting even your hobby-time by speculating about the fact you think I'm dishonest... because I'm as honest as it gets.

Were you knowingly equivocating and being deceptive or not then (did you know I didn't mean it that way or are you just too stupid to tell the difference and understand the context?) Are you perhaps dishonest, that is what I wonder. Of course, I'm not wasting much time on that. And CL already gave you an easy way out on my other thread when you asked if I considered a relationship with someone in prison... CL took it as you not meaning it in a bad way which gave you an easy escape hatch. Maybe you really didn't. But you sure as hell seem more slippery and deceptive than I do, you give that impression much more clearly, even if we're both honest... I'm more obviously honest.

It's far more easy for me to believe you're just too stupid to understand, however, rather than an outright liar, now that I know you're a trumptard.

(April 15, 2018 at 1:11 pm)henryp Wrote: Oh, it's not calling fucking idiots fucking idiots.  It's when someone you consider 'friendly' lets slip a bit of honesty.  But maybe that actually supports what you say about 'truly believing', because the couple times I've seen it happened, you took it differently than just about everything else.  And the common thread seemed to be others perception of you not matching either your perception of yourself, or maybe your perception of their perception of you.

It's all very interesting.

IMO that was just their own simplistic way of understanding things. Honestly failing to keep promises and being dishonest are two very different things. As a person I am consistently inconsistent, and extremely unreliable. I regularly make appointments and believe I will make them and then change my mind and email the person to say I can't make it. That happens almost 50% of the time. And yet each time I am convinced I can definitely make it that time. Think of it as like procrastination when you tell yourself in your own head "X needs to be done and I AM DOING it today. I AM DOING it this time. I am not putting it off to tomorrow." even though it's like the 500th time you've said that to yourself, you still fall for it, and then time passes and later in the day you tell yourself "Actually fuck it I'll do it tomorrow after all." Some people would describe that as 'lying to yourself' but IMO there's a very real sense in which it's impossible to lie to yourself. Self-deception is more like self-trickery than self-lying. You honestly believe the stories you tell yourself, so you're not lying.

So anyways... I don't have a stable sense of self that's what it's about. Now of course, I have one long term personality like everyone else does.... I must do. But my sense of it... is very different.

Perhaps some of it is autism but perhaps some of it is trauma from an abusive father or side effects of being on lots of different long term meds and mood stabilizers and anti-depressants and all sorts (I'm not taking anything anymore). Who knows. Maybe it's just me and nothing to do with any of that. But I certainly used to have more of a stable sense of self, and I certainly used to contemplate the future and the past a lot more than I do now, and identify with that past-me or future-me. Now as soon as time passes I feel like a different person. And I feel like I am spectating my thoughts. And neurologically speaking my bizarre viewpoint is actually more accurate! Because our sense of control really is an illusion. I just don't even experience the illusion anymore (I think sense of self and sense of the illusion of free will are highly connected).

Personally I think losing my sense of ultimate moral responsibility and contra-causal free will and losing my sense of self are basically the same thing. And it's probably all a result of doing philosophy and then spending enough time alone to get the ideas idiots force upon me out of my head. To understand it conceptually was very easy (for me) but then it was just a matter of living alone to get the habit out of seeing myself as a self... out of my mind. It's very hard to shake off your sense of self if other people still see you that way or talk like they see themselves that way.

But now I don't think I will ever get that sense back and I am glad of it because it is accurate, even if it isn't healthy (perhaps it's healthy to have that illusion and that's why most people have it... but I still don't want it if it's all bullshit and it certainly makes me a great deal HAPPIER to live this way. I'm the happiest person I know most of the time, and when I'm not I barely suffer. I don't hold onto any bad feelings. It's great.).

But it's unhealthy perhaps because it makes it hard for me to make long term plans and stuff. Or even short term plans. Lol.

I don't think you really find it really interesting I think you're just failing at being manipulative and trying to be an asshole seen as you actually believe that Trump is a reasonable person, you must just be a fucking idiot. It's funny you pretend like it's objective but you're brainwashed if you don't think he's a criminally perverted fraud that isn't fit to work in Wall Mart let alone be in the whitehouse.

But it's possible you genuinely find it interesting so I thought I'd explain it a bit more anyways.

(April 15, 2018 at 1:11 pm)henryp Wrote: And the common thread seemed to be others perception of you not matching either your perception of yourself, or maybe your perception of their perception of you.

This part can probably be explained by my autism. I do compassion but I don't do cognitive empathy. Although if anything I'm actually better at telling what other people feel than telling what I feel (although maybe it's because I don't feel much)... but I'm still shit. From my point of view either it's my point of view or it's a fucking stupid point of view. If people understood something they'd agree with me. And then sometimes I realize I was the one who misunderstood, but only after the fact, and only because they weren't explaining it properly or I didn't have enough prior knowledge to understand the meanings yet although I was more than capable if I did have the prior knowledge and I am as soon as I do.
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#62
RE: Are you a Trump supporter?
I don't think you're dishonest in the sense of trying to trick people. I'm talking about with yourself. Who you tell yourself you are vs. who you are. I'm not saying there's any malicious aspect to your dishonesty. If you want to quibble over the terms, and call it self-trickery or whatever, that's fine. My musings are for myself, so I don't have to worry about semantics on my end, since I know what I mean, so I'm happy to use whatever terminology works for you.

But you hit on what puzzles me about people in general. You're aware you aren't objective. You're aware that you're tricking yourself. How do you keep that knowledge which you possess from impacting how you behave? Is it just compartmentalized? Is it a voice that you can just turn off?

Using your reliability example. You know you've struggled with reliability forever. You know nothing has changed from the previous incident of unreliability. Yet you say 'this time is different' even though you have all the information necessary to know that this time is not different. Where does that knowledge go? I'd guess in any other setting, you'd call someone a 'fucking idiot' for not being able to see such a clear and obvious pattern, no?

Do you want to believe you're reliable? That seems like it could be the motivation. To be something you're not. Which doesn't mesh well with your 'indifference/behave how I want to behave' mantra.

Do you ever worry that there are a bunch of traits you believe you possess that you don't (or vice-versa), but you're just tricking yourself? If you know you can trick yourself so thoroughly in the face of a mountain of evidence that you are well aware of, what can you really be sure of about yourself? Or is that just another example of the self-trickery. That you maintain a really high level of confidence despite having knowledge that should lead to self doubt.

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We have some stuff in common. I have a very detached 3rd person point of view of things that tends to make other people's points of view appear to be nonsense. I'm lucky in that I can see myself from that 3rd person point of view as well, and that's probably made adjusting a little easier, rather than being trapped in the 1st person perspective which seems tougher to break out of.

You've mentioned an interest in Poker. It seems like these traits are potentially devastating. Being objective, and viewing things from other people's different perspectives are part of the foundation of making good decisions. Are you able to overcome those things in that setting?

Regarding wasting my time, I don't view it as wasting my time in any context. And it makes sense I seem slippery and deceptive. For the most part, you should put my actions in the context of indifference. In that context, the prison dating thing was just an offbeat possible solution to a tricky problem I came across. All this rambling about you being self-deceptive is just curiosity over something I'm looking at. Although, being honest, I do like to make myself laugh, so things can be rooted in mean-spirited jokes, but I think I'm usually fairly blunt in those situations. So if it's not clear I'm making a joke, I'm probably not making a joke. Then again, what I think is clear sometimes isn't clear to everyone. So your skepticism is certainly justified.
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#63
RE: Are you a Trump supporter?
(April 16, 2018 at 10:28 am)henryp Wrote: I don't think you're dishonest in the sense of trying to trick people.  I'm talking about with yourself.  Who you tell yourself you are vs. who you are.  I'm not saying there's any malicious aspect to your dishonesty.  If you want to quibble over the terms, and call it self-trickery or whatever, that's fine.  My musings are for myself, so I don't have to worry about semantics on my end, since I know what I mean, so I'm happy to use whatever terminology works for you.

That's honestly... fair enough. And far more reasonable than Trump Tongue

Quote:But you hit on what puzzles me about people in general.  You're aware you aren't objective.  You're aware that you're tricking yourself.  How do you keep that knowledge which you possess from impacting how you behave?  Is it just compartmentalized?  Is it a voice that you can just turn off?

I'm not aware of it because if I was I would fix it. Which is why I talk about how I'd rather choose an accurate view of no distinct sense of self or free will strictly because it's accurate, even if I would function better with that inaccuracy (I think there's a pragmatic and functional reason why people believe in a distinct sense of self and free will... although I don't think it is ontologically accurate or truth-apt).

Now, when I say I am not aware of it I mean the self-trickery. However, I am aware that it's at least possible that I could be engaged in self-trickery. That's different to being aware of it. If I was aware of it I'd try to fix it. I believe I probably am not self-deceived, at least not on any conscious level (repressed via trauma is different and something that is a lot harder to work on (and I'm already getting counselling anyhow...)).

So I'm aware of the possibility of self-deception (although not self-lying, and yes I will pedantically quibble over those terms because I distinguish between the two. So I definitely am glad that you are reasonable enough to succumb to my pedantry because if you aren't I'll feel like we're equivocating and talking on two levels anyway, which doesn't make sense to me and if it doesn't make sense to both of us then we aren't really having much of a conversation. Right? It would just be talking past each other).

I'm aware of the POSSIBILITY. But I don't BELIEVE I'm self deceived. If I believed I was then I would believe I didn't honestly believe, which would be the same as not honestly believing it, which would be honest disbelief which is just as honest as honest belief...

Quote:Using your reliability example.  You know you've struggled with reliability forever.  You know nothing has changed from the previous incident of unreliability.  Yet you say 'this time is different' even though you have all the information necessary to know that this time is not different.   Where does that knowledge go?  I'd guess in any other setting, you'd call someone a 'fucking idiot' for not being able to see such a clear and obvious pattern, no?  

My guess is it's on an unconscious level. And I believe it's extremely common for people to self deceieve in that sense (and yes I am wholly aware of it in THAT sense... an unconscious sense. I am merely arguing that I am not deceiving myself in any conscious level.... because I consider that impossible)........ like, I believe that's how the mechanism of procrastination actually works. By quote-unquote 'lying to oneself' (and I put it in air quotes because of course... I don't believe it's actual lying to onself, as you know. My quibbling, etc. It's unconscious self-deception. Which is perfectly normal).

Like, I believe unconscious self-deception and procrastination is perfectly normal for everyone to an extent. It's a coping mechanism. And in fact, procrastination has a place and a LITTLE bit of it is healthy. I do it a LOT though. And a lot more than I used to. It is not healthy. But I do think the cause is mostly based on myself coming to true conclusions that are indeed true but nevertheless unhealthy. Sometimes there are truths that we would be better off not knowing... but once we know them we can't unknow them. Perhaps we can forget them...... but then we can't even forget them once they sink in and become automatic. Like I automatically habitually am not aware of a distinct sense of self or illusion of free will anymore, and I think that makes it incredibly hard for me to plan ever for the near future.... because like... I think the placebo that we can control our future self even though we can't... actually spurs us into action. So a commonly believed and useful false belief helps people motivate themselves and function, basically.

If I were a pragmatist I would say that belief in the self and free will was true purely because it was useful. But I'm not a pragmatist. It's useful but untrue. And I both rationally and irrationally prefer the true to the useful. It's pragmatically rational to prefer the useful to the true, but logically rational to prefer to true to the useful.



Quote:Do you want to believe you're reliable?

If I were a pragmatist I'd want to believe I was reliable even if I wasn't if and only if that false belief would help motivate me into actually becoming reliable. A self-fulfilling prophecy as it were. Because I'm very anti-pragmatist (which is irrational of me in one sense) because I'm obsessed with the truth and authenticity and honesty (which is rational of me in another sense. Or at least the truth part is).... I am not able to do that. I am not able to use a self-fulfilling prophecy to motivate myself because although the self-fulfilling prophecy becomes true... it isn't true YET so to tell myself it's already true just to make it become true... feels morally wrong to me in an absurdly exaggerated Kantian way that I can't switch off (perhaps due to my autism or upbringing or whatever) but also rational of me because by being so hyper obsessed with the truth and accuracy I am able to home in on it analytically to a very sharp degree and see it obsessively everywhere I go.... which I do (and effectively. I love seeing even the tiniest errors everywhere. It's better than an orgasm).

Quote:  That seems like it could be the motivation.  To be something you're not.  Which doesn't mesh well with your 'indifference/behave how I want to behave' mantra.

Agreed. It would be healthy but I am too obsessed with present truths (I'm also a presentist when it comes to theories of time... so that doesn't help either. Although I do think it's accurate). 

Quote:Do you ever worry that there are a bunch of traits you believe you possess that you don't (or vice-versa), but you're just tricking yourself?  If you know you can trick yourself so thoroughly in the face of a mountain of evidence that you are well aware of, what can you really be sure of about yourself?

I do worry about all this for a very very very brief perioid until I remember reading Thinking Fast and Slow and quickly realize that EVERYONE is doing it and even the MOST rational people can't really do anything about it.

However much on a conscious level even people like me are obssessed with truth and accuracy and anti-confirmation bias.... on an unconscious level we're all driven by our brains to hold beliefs that our brains (meaning the unconscious parts of our brains) believe are healthy for us or aid our survival (/the survival of our genes anyhow)... we're all deep down 100% driven, and I mean 100% driven... by non-rational primal drives. Even when we do things that are against our drives (such as wear a condom) I still believe that even that behavior is ultimately driven by our primal drives... it's just that our drives are too stupid and simplistic to understand that we are actually consciously going against our drives.

It's almost like.... our unconscious controls us and communicates with us... but our conscious self doesn't communicate with the unconscious. I mean, we would be driven to never wear condoms if our unconscious was able to hear our conscious thought rebelling against it. But it isn't. Because our conscious self doesn't communicate with, or do anything. Epiphenomenalism must be false in the completely strong sense because merely being able to talk about consciousness is an effect of consciousness.... but I believe epiphenomenalism is almost true, or pretty much that is the only effect consciousness has... clearly. There's no evidence of it really doing anything else. It's closer to true than untrue. It's effecively true if the only effect it has is our own private qualia and our ability to talk about it... and ultimately our unconscious brain controls absolutely all our fucking actions... and even believing that we are rational is merely done because it's useful.

So unconsciously, we're all pragmatists. But on a conscious level some of us are anti-pragmatists who, consciously, only care about the truth.

Literally the most rational people in the world almost entirely can't help but be driven by all kinds of biases on an unconscious level.

If you haven't read it already, I highly recommend reading Thinking Fast and Slow by Daniel Khaneman. It's rather fascinating and supported by huge amounts of data.

Quote:Or is that just another example of the self-trickery.  That you maintain a really high level of confidence despite having knowledge that should lead to self doubt.

Well... you shall now see that I am trying to explain that on a conscious level no self-trickey is involved exluding my conscious awareness of the fact that on an unconscious level SOME trickery MUST be involved... but then that's entirely normal. It's just merely more extreme in my case when it comes to planning for the future and reflecting on the past and stuff... but I believe this is due to myself coming to entirely true beliefs, that are certainly not useful or healthy apart from the fact that they make me feel amazing and stop me worrying about pretty much anything compared to the average person (it's pretty much the entire goal of Buddhism already reached, if you take out all the supernatural B.S)..... all whilst I am aware that on an unconscious level my beliefs are ultimately driven by irrational passions... just like everyone else's.

I distinguish between feelings and passions. Feelings are conscious. Passions are not. Emotions can be either.



Quote:We have some stuff in common.  I have a very detached 3rd person point of view of things that tends to make other people's points of view appear to be nonsense.

That's very cool. Shame about the Trump thing really. He couldn't be any more obvious of a fucking idiot... you don't have to look very far.

But then I get the feeling you are pro-war, so maybe you just love him so much (or at least think he shouldn't be kicked out of the whitehouse despite being a dangerous moron) simply because he's such a warmonger.

I'm a total hippie. I don't even agree that a country defending itself is the morally right thing to do. I don't think it's what they should do. At least in almost all cases. Morally speaking I'm ALMOST a total passifist when it comes to self-defense too. If I am attacked I believe it is never correct for me to use force greater than or equal than the force the other person used to attack me, unless I can be reasonably certain that not doing so would result in them hurting me a lot more than me hurting them. I think that eye for an eye is actually worse than simply letting yourself lose an eye.... morally speaking.

However in reality if someone attacked me I'd probablly defend myself for instinctual reasons and selfish reasons. And because it's natural and normal and because I'm a coward and because I care about myself more than my morals, in all honesty, however much I'd like to think I cared more about my morals.

My morals are more important than myself, but again, we are not driven by what we consciously think is important. We're not driven by our consciousness at all. Everything we do and every decision and action we take has already been decided as much as seven seconds beforehand by unconscious brain activity (there have been several scientific experiments that have proved this and I don't even need science to prove it. The scientific experiments are just a way to draw in the people who aren't intelligent enough to understand the philosophical arguments).

Likewise, although I think in almost all cases it is morally wrong for a country to defend itself (literally any time any country goes to war with another country... maximum moral evil has pretty much already been commited. And you can't get infinity +1).

Even though I think it's morally wrong.... I would 1) never expect a country not to defend itself. And 2) If my country was attacked I'd want my country to be safe even if it required military action to defend itself... just so myself and my friends and family could be safe. So for entirely selfish reasons once again my moral principles would get subverted. But I think it would be even more immoral if I pretended otherwise.

Still, I am very anti-war and I am not interested in countries trying to help out other countries via military action... again in almost all cases. I can imagine exceptions but I am not sure how many of those exceptions are actually acheivable in reality. There is 100% morally unjustiable collateral damage in 100% of cases so far in war, as far as I can tell.....



Quote:You've mentioned an interest in Poker.  It seems like these traits are potentially devastating.  Being objective, and viewing things from other people's different perspectives are part of the foundation of making good decisions.  Are you able to overcome those things in that setting?  

I'm awesome enough at poker in enough ways for my shortcomings and weaknesses to not matter much. I could never be a top pro but my strengths are so beyond the average player (or at least the bad players) that I am able to be very successful at it in the stakes I can afford to play in... both online and offline. At least in Texas Hold 'Em (I am not really interested in learning other forms of poker).

I suck at reading people... but then because of the way I am it's hard for others to read me (it's hard to read someone so emotionless regardless of how he talks). I'm very analytical and able to play a strong tight-aggressive game, which is more than enough to defeat the fish.... and even against the moderately good players... they sometimes let their emotions get the better of them when I get lucky against them... they suddenly start playing badly. But it doesn't happen the other way around. They usually draw out on me after all, because I (almost) only play strong hands.... but it's just business to me. I never get pissed off. Even when it's two aces.

I won an offline tournament and towards the end of the tournament everyone was talking about how I only play good hands. Then it was not only especially easy to bluff the fuck of them and win the blinds which had increased drastically at that point and were well worth winning (it was late game).... but you make most of your winnings by playing the opposite of your actual playstyle. People with a tight image are able to bluff the fuck out of people when they switch. And people who bluff all the time are able to win big pots from people who think they are bluffing when they actually have a good hand.

Sure, there's huge amounts of luck in poker (and yet many mediocre players still think they have played amazing just because they win a pot with a big hand, and I see that they made all these errors and it's extremely important to distinguish between playing well and winning).... but this is just one of many many examples of my successes.

I have certain weaknesses so I will never be pro (I think... I guess it's possible that my roboticness and unreadability and lack of tilting is so extreme that I am able to become pro... but I doubt it. My inability to read others certainly weakens my play (especailly in heads-up but also generally)... and my short-term memory which makes me crap at working out the odds in my head also hinders my ability to reach a top level. Although maths matter far less in No Limit Hold Em than other forms of poker. Which is one of the many reasons I play it. It's more about implied odds, and reverse-implied odds, which aren't precise, and don't really require much math, than explicit odds.)).

Quote:Regarding wasting my time, I don't view it as wasting my time in any context.

I guess not if you genuinely think your posting your opinion about me being dishonest was more productive or more enjoyable than something else you could be posting at the time.

 
Quote:And it makes sense I seem slippery and deceptive.  For the most part, you should put my actions in the context of indifference.

Fair enough. But then perhaps you can understand that I am actually the same way even when I come across as highly emotional. It's one thing to act all emotional and it's another to feel emotional. If I don't know what it means to actually feel it, then how is it any less genuine to behave it, if I have to express some emotion to function?

True, I already admitted that I would choose truth over functionality every time. But in this case I wouldn't. So okay not every time. That is an exaggeration. I would choose HONESTY over functionality every time though. And I can honestly express emotions that I don't feel in order to function well because I'm not expressing anything that I don't honestly feel because I'm not honestly stating that I feel things I'm just behaving as if I am.

I am mostly against deception, but not entirely. I'm only entirely against outright lying. I will omit the truth and keep secrets to deceive. I will bluff. I will jest. I am prepare to lie in a Mafia game or Poker game (although even then I prefer to use more underhand modes of deception. Doesn't feel as comfortable as a joke. But it still doesn't feel like a lie because to me games just don't feel like part of the rest of reality when we're inside the game and not talking about anything off-topic. Clearly they're part of the ontology of reality, but once the game has begun and we're all playing to win without cheating we're trying to follow game rules and it doesn't matter if it breaks other rules outside of the game. As long as it's nothing immoral or illegal. And I don't think there's anything immoral about lying inside a game).

Quote: In that context, the prison dating thing was just an offbeat possible solution to a tricky problem I came across.  All this rambling about you being self-deceptive is just curiosity over something I'm looking at.

Well that's fair enough. You're seeming more and more like me. Still, pity about the Trumptard stuff. And I definitely seem more honest than you.

Quote: Although, being honest, I do like to make myself laugh, so things can be rooted in mean-spirited jokes, but I think I'm usually fairly blunt in those situations.  So if it's not clear I'm making a joke, I'm probably not making a joke.  Then again, what I think is clear sometimes isn't clear to everyone.  So your skepticism is certainly justified.

Your more recent posts towards me are very cool and I am actually really enjoying our conversation now. I don't feel like we're talking past each other either. Which is great.

Still, pity about the Trumptardiness. If it wasn't for your support for a warmongering moronic pervert I may actually consider you a possible friend. In 99% of cases someone's difference of a viewpoint won't stop me being their friend. I'm open to almost all views so long as the person is interesting to talk to and not able to harm me physically or threaten to do so successfully.... Trump is an exception though. I can't really be friends with anyone who actually thinks supporting such a person is even remotely unacceptable. I'm not able to be friends with someone who thinks rape is a good idea either... So yeah. You don't think the latter but you are a Trump tard and that's only mildly better from my point of view (okay a lot better but being a Trump tard is pretty fucking horrific. I guess it's mildly better than supporting the Ku Klux Klan)
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#64
RE: Are you a Trump supporter?
Re: Trump and war. The choice for us over here was Trump or Hillary. Hillary had just orchestrated a regime change in Libya seemingly on a whim as secretary of state. And they were drone striking it up all over the place. When people talk about Hillary being a republican, the war thing usually is at the top of the list why. While Trump touted a strong military, he also was the one talking about withdrawing from the front lines in these random endless fights. And just the other day, France's Macron claimed he convinced Trump into not withdrawing from Syria already. I don't think it's altruistic. I think, to someone like Trump, he sees Americans dying and spending a bunch of money on shit that isn't worth it to the US, so he thinks it should stop. I think he's okay with having totalitarian regimes and genocide and such in the world, as long as the offending countries keep it in house. Having someone stubbornly convinced the US should not be involved as a starting point, rather than a Globalist like Hillary who's a fan of military intervention, regime changes, and nation building, is good. If you ignore the Twitter aspect, Trump's foreign policy is more like a European country than the US.

But that's news coverage vs. reality. People keep insinuating he's going to start world war III because of his Twitter feed. But the two most recent "Hey Russia, here they come!" Made Putin look kind of pathetic when he fled the scene and went crying to the UN instead of trying to shoot down the missiles like he said they would. And all the "Rocket Man" talk with NK has led to negotiations. That's that disconnect between the media insinuating WWIII and Nuclear Annihilation are imminent, and the result, which has been favorable for the US and the world.

Re Poker: The no math thing in Poker will hurt you once you reach a certain level of competition. I don't know where you play online, do you guys have some sweet sports betting site that also has a poker site in England that has more gamblers than poker players? I looked into getting back into it recently, but the informed recreational players now are learning (GTO) Game Theory Optimal instead of ABC TAG poker, and the people who have no idea what's going on are mostly gone over here. It's really changed the landscape. Essentially, GTO is almost like one of those cheat sheets that people have for Blackjack that tells them when to hit or fold. And while it won't win them a bunch of money, it definitely keeps them from losing a bunch of money like they would have in the olden days. And with the Rake skyrocketing in the US, making any money of significance in cash games online is tough sledding, especially for us folks essentially using the outdated meta.

Re self-deception: This is the part that I find really interesting. You say you are not aware of it, but you described it. If I ask you "What are the chances of you meeting an obligation in general. I think you said it's about 50/50. And then if you speak about a specific event, you say you feel confident you'll do it. But the truth is that it's still 50/50 regardless of your intentions.

I get the no free will stuff, and the things operating on the unconscious level. But we still see the results. The patterns of behavior are there to observe. In many cases, we understand what and why things are happening on that unconscious level.

I've always liked the idea, of "Embrace, Reject, or Acknowledge and Oppose." We've got our unconscious impulses. But once we become aware of them, and their often irrational nature, our conscious selves can decide how to deal with it. At least that's how I'm wired. Not saying that I'm successful. But if I'm in your situation, and someone says can make an event tomorrow, I'll intend to, but I couldn't not know that it's really 50/50 until I start seeing results that indicate otherwise. Maybe that's more abnormal that I realize.
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#65
RE: Are you a Trump supporter?
Re general Trump-tard stuff: American politics are impossibly complicated. It's a game being played on so many levels that I doubt the people in the thick of it even know what's going on half the time. The constant push and pull of needing to win an election, get enough votes to pass laws, and fundraise is crazy. And then you need to manage the news cycle and public opinion across who knows how many demographics. And then, I'm sure, a bunch of shit I'm not even aware of. That system doesn't allow good people to reach the top. We had Hillary vs. Trump here. Two candidates that probably half the country agreed shouldn't be president.

When I vote, I expect to overlook 100's of flaws no matter who I vote for. So when people say "Oh, he's not great for abortion. I could never vote for that." To me, that's incredibly naive and impractical. I look at things from what I think is, practically speaking, best for me, and after that, what's probably best for the country in general. And it's far from an easy answer, because everybody is lying/misleading us to try and convince us one way or the other.

And in the end it's a guess. A guess millions of people who have plenty of historical data showing them that they aren't particularly bright, are supremely confident in.
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RE: Are you a Trump supporter?
(April 17, 2018 at 10:35 am)henryp Wrote: Re general Trump-tard stuff: American politics are impossibly complicated. It's a game being played on so many levels that I doubt the people in the thick of it even know what's going on half the time. The constant push and pull of needing to win an election, get enough votes to pass laws, and fundraise is crazy. And then you need to manage the news cycle and public opinion across who knows how many demographics. And then, I'm sure, a bunch of shit I'm not even aware of. That system doesn't allow good people to reach the top. We had Hillary vs. Trump here. Two candidates that probably half the country agreed shouldn't be president.

When I vote, I expect to overlook 100's of flaws no matter who I vote for. So when people say "Oh, he's not great for abortion. I could never vote for that." To me, that's incredibly naive and impractical. I look at things from what I think is, practically speaking, best for me, and after that, what's probably best for the country in general. And it's far from an easy answer, because everybody is lying/misleading us to try and convince us one way or the other.

And in the end it's a guess. A guess millions of people who have plenty of historical data showing them that they aren't particularly bright, are supremely confident in.

I was getting lunch with my friend who's a L.A. on the Hill last week. He told me: "The West Wing is what liberals wish the government was like, House of Cards is what conservatives are afraid the government is like, but Veep is what the government is actually like."
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RE: Are you a Trump supporter?
(April 17, 2018 at 10:38 am)Aegon Wrote:
(April 17, 2018 at 10:35 am)henryp Wrote: Re general Trump-tard stuff:  American politics are impossibly complicated.  It's a game being played on so many levels that I doubt the people in the thick of it even know what's going on half the time.  The constant push and pull of needing to win an election, get enough votes to pass laws, and fundraise is crazy.  And then you need to manage the news cycle and public opinion across who knows how many demographics.  And then, I'm sure, a bunch of shit I'm not even aware of. That system doesn't allow good people to reach the top.  We had Hillary vs. Trump here.  Two candidates that probably half the country agreed shouldn't be president.  

When I vote, I expect to overlook 100's of flaws no matter who I vote for.  So when people say "Oh, he's not great for abortion.  I could never vote for that."  To me, that's incredibly naive and impractical.  I look at things from what I think is, practically speaking, best for me, and after that, what's probably best for the country in general.  And it's far from an easy answer, because everybody is lying/misleading us to try and convince us one way or the other.

And in the end it's a guess.  A guess millions of people who have plenty of historical data showing them that they aren't particularly bright, are supremely confident in.

I was getting lunch with my friend who's a L.A. on the Hill last week. He told me: "The West Wing is what liberals wish the government was like, House of Cards is what conservatives are afraid the government is like, but Veep is what the government is actually like."

The only one I've seen is House of Cards, but only the first season.
"Never trust a fox. Looks like a dog, behaves like a cat."
~ Erin Hunter
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