Marijuana becoming legal little by little: the bitter victory

[Aegon]

I believe that anybody should put whatever they want in their own body, and it's not the government's right to punish them for it. Decriminalization of all drugs across the board, obviously including weed. I think weed should be legalized, taxed and sold too, but as long as people aren't getting arrested for it that's all I really care about.

Of course, this thread is really about medical, yeah? There isn't even any THC in those things (if there is, it's a minute amount and has no psychoactive effects.) I don't see a rational reason to oppose it.

I believe that most places legalizing it are only doing so for private consumption. You still can't just light up wherever.

Also applies to tobacco here. Can't light up indoors unless there is a proper space with ventilation. Heh, being a smoker no qualms with that and I enjoy tobacco better outside.

As for the drug itself, lel, the weakest of them all. Alcohol comes to mind as way more destructive and yet legal. Hell, xanax or prozac are worse. Imo making it legal would give some tax revenue back, instead spendin on a losing war to wich all the revenue goes with greater profit to the big dealers, at a risk sure, but what a business venture is out of risk these days.

I don't agree with heroin. That is a bad mistress. And I know a bit about the subject. Or Meth, but never tried that one. Never liked the uppers.

Former uppers guy here. Yeah, bad. Very bad, very not good. ...that's my review.

[I_am_not_mafia]

Also - tar and CO2 are present in cannabis smoke. Generally, inhaling smoke - bad idea.

If you smoke it. Cannabis can also be vaped. Or used in edibles.

Vaping cannabis is much more efficient, less wasteful and allows you to decide your dosage if you are taking it for medical reasons.

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Unless you have multiple sclerosis, epilepsy or Parkinson's disease.

I started vaping it for my MS last year. I'm not on any disease modifying drugs as they have far more serious side effects despite being legal and I don't want to go on them until I know that I have to otherwise I am on them for life. I am trying to control my disease with lifestyle changes and weed. I actually had a brain scan yesterday and will find out at my next neurologist's appointment if I have had any progression. The physical and mental tests I had yesterday were both better than when I did them a year ago after my first and only known attack (not including silent lesions previously before I knew that I had MS).

Regardless of whether it's natural or artificial, legal or illegal, they are all drugs. I've picked the one that has the fewest side effects for the most significant benefit.

I'm not going to increase my chance of mental and physical disability for someone else's ideology.

[Rev. Rye]

I believe that most places legalizing it are only doing so for private consumption. You still can't just light up wherever.

Also applies to tobacco here. Can't light up indoors unless there is a proper space with ventilation. Heh, being a smoker no qualms with that and I enjoy tobacco better outside.

As for the drug itself, lel, the weakest of them all. Alcohol comes to mind as way more destructive and yet legal. Hell, xanax or prozac are worse. Imo making it legal would give some tax revenue back, instead spendin on a losing war to wich all the revenue goes with greater profit to the big dealers, at a risk sure, but what a business venture is out of risk these days.

I don't agree with heroin. That is a bad mistress. And I know a bit about the subject. Or Meth, but never tried that one. Never liked the uppers.

Heroin is chemically almost identical to morphine (except for a little molecule which allows it to cross the blood-brain barrier quicker) and once you look at bath salts, a chemical specifically designed to be a legal substitute for meth, except it makes you even crazier, you start to wonder about the benefits of legalizing meth.

[Aegon]

Also applies to tobacco here. Can't light up indoors unless there is a proper space with ventilation. Heh, being a smoker no qualms with that and I enjoy tobacco better outside.

As for the drug itself, lel, the weakest of them all. Alcohol comes to mind as way more destructive and yet legal. Hell, xanax or prozac are worse. Imo making it legal would give some tax revenue back, instead spendin on a losing war to wich all the revenue goes with greater profit to the big dealers, at a risk sure, but what a business venture is out of risk these days.

I don't agree with heroin. That is a bad mistress. And I know a bit about the subject. Or Meth, but never tried that one. Never liked the uppers.

Heroin is chemically almost identical to morphine (except for a little molecule which allows it to cross the blood-brain barrier quicker) and once you look at bath salts, a chemical specifically designed to be a legal substitute for meth, except it makes you even crazier, you start to wonder about the benefits of legalizing meth.

Fun fact: meth actually is legal already, albeit an extremely controlled substance

https://www.rxlist.com/desoxyn-drug.htm

I used to be a stim fiend (read as: crippled addict), and I actually got a hold of a bunch of Desoxyn at one point and... damn man... I don't even wanna think about how good it felt

[dyresand]

LOL... You do realize, that tobacco is a "natural plant" as well, right? Not saying, that cigarettes are good, but "arguments" like this won't help making the "retarded pot-head" stereotype go away.

The contents of cigarettes/ chewing tobacco are enough to poison a whole population.
Just for the record; nicotine is the least of your problems when you smoke: TAR and CO2 are your main concerns.

it's the processing of the plants when it comes to tobacco the stuff they use it's what kills you. the filter on a cigarette does more to harm you than any good. 
and just smoking, in general, isn't good for you at all. even if it's marijuana you are just better off eating it than ruining your lungs and vaping is no better either.

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I believe that anybody should put whatever they want in their own body, and it's not the government's right to punish them for it. Decriminalization of all drugs across the board, obviously including weed. I think weed should be legalized, taxed and sold too, but as long as people aren't getting arrested for it that's all I really care about.

Of course, this thread is really about medical, yeah? There isn't even any THC in those things (if there is, it's a minute amount and has no psychoactive effects.) I don't see a rational reason to oppose it.

Also applies to tobacco here. Can't light up indoors unless there is a proper space with ventilation. Heh, being a smoker no qualms with that and I enjoy tobacco better outside.

As for the drug itself, lel, the weakest of them all. Alcohol comes to mind as way more destructive and yet legal. Hell, xanax or prozac are worse. Imo making it legal would give some tax revenue back, instead spendin on a losing war to wich all the revenue goes with greater profit to the big dealers, at a risk sure, but what a business venture is out of risk these days.

I don't agree with heroin. That is a bad mistress. And I know a bit about the subject. Or Meth, but never tried that one. Never liked the uppers.

Former uppers guy here. Yeah, bad. Very bad, very not good. ...that's my review.

The stipulation with that is an industry *cough* prisons would lose out a big population. So when it comes down to it we have that right and well freedom taken away for our own "safety" when in actually were no more safer because of the narcotics legally pushed by pharmaceutical companies. I can easily say this because it holds weight to it but the opiod epidemic lately is well artificial in nature due to drug companies pushing more products that are addictive and well to powerful. We can stop the opioid epidemic by putting the foot down on the pharmacutical industry to stop them from pushing this medication. This is blantant legal drug dealing which shouldn't even be legal at all. But i would be a hypocrite saying that because i think all drugs should be legal to a point where it doesn't out right kill you like in the case with krokodil where it rots you...

[Minimalist]

Er, what about the strict parents who advised their kids against both pot AND cigarettes?

What about the fucking mormons?  No coffee, either.

No wonder they are such uptight mothers.

[dyresand]

If you are a strict, by the book parent, a stereotype, do you realize the hypocrisy you raised your kids to? you're a hypocrite scared gimp who exchanged  "natural plant=marijuana" with "chemical waste=cigarettes".

Er, what about the strict parents who advised their kids against both pot AND cigarettes?

If you are religious, and used your religion to justify this prohibition, watch me puff its smoke in your face when it's legal.
I'll pass it to you, too

I believe that most places legalizing it are only doing so for private consumption. You still can't just light up wherever.

Here is how i feel about it. Marijuana isn't a gateway drug harder substances than it exists even the synthetic stuff
is worse for you. As for parents who are strict and smoke and drink it's just hypocrisy on their end they are using substances that are worse for you. 
If you do smoke marijuana at worse is you get hungry and that's about it but it affects people differently. I mean look at the deaths from alcohol 
and smoking how many people died from marijuana though.

[Little lunch]

I've smoked 10 or 20 pounds of pot in my lifetime, maybe more.
It's quite relaxing if you do it moderately.
If you smoke it a lot like I used to, it's addictive, makes you anti social as in you don't want to meet new people or go anywhere, makes you paranoid as in people are looking at you knowing you're stoned and every slammed door is the fuzz, it becomes the stimulus for your appetite, it aggravates any pre existing mental conditions and, in my opinion, can cause depression and psychosis (especially if your dealer gets nabbed and you suddenly have to go without), turns you into a procrastinator and it makes you cough a lot.
There's also a myth that it sedates you and makes you mindless.
I've met hundreds of pot smokers who are acutely aware of what's going on around them at all times and will be efficiently violent if need be.
This level I'm talking about would be equivalent to an alcoholic.
So the anti-marijuana movement isn't completely baseless.
That being said, it's still better than what's legally available and has definite proven medicinal properties.

[I_am_not_mafia]

even if it's marijuana you are just better off eating it than ruining your lungs and vaping is no better either.

Switching from smoking to vaping does reduce your carcinogens

This is for vaping as an alternative to smoking tobacco. Dry vaping cannabis is much better than the vapes you see because it's just the herb and warm air, none of the added flavourings or glycerine etc.

There are over 100 carcinogens in cigarette smoke (114 from memory but I might be wrong), whereas only 1 from dry vaping cannabis, which is Benzin which is released by vaping above 185c (I always stick to 180-182c). Unfortunately it needs to be heated at 180c for a fair while to get the effect and you can't do that by heating water, not even in a pressure cooker.

I looked into edibles for a long time but realised that for me at least it would probably do more harm than good. This is because the way to make edibles is to cook the herb in an oil, like butter, for several hours. I follow the OMS diet to overcome my MS and this means staying away from all heated oils. The smoking gun cause of MS as far as I am concerned is cooked, processed oils that you find in almost all prepared food, and home cooked food. There is evidence to suggest that MS is a fat lipid disorder. All the other potential causes, such as low vitamin D, genetics, underlying food allergy, glandular fever/mono/epstein barr virus are all exacerbating factors that need to be in place for the disease to occur rather than the cause by itself.

Saying that I do sprinkle my vaped bud over my oven baked salmon but the dosage is much harder to control, takes a long time to kick in and lasts an incredibly long time. Not that I am convinced that I should be eating baked salmon so I may end up steaming it instead. But if the only option for me was to cook butter for a couple of hours, I just wouldn't do it. It's not just MS though. There is no healthy way to cook with oil. There are just unhealthy ways ranging to extremely unhealthy ways.

It's worth pointing out that vaping is considered far more dangerous in the US where opinion is that it's better to give up smoking, whereas in the UK the NHS recognise that it's far better than smoking and encourages people to vape instead of smoke.

[Edwardo Piet]

None of that changes the fact, that tobacco is a "natural plant". Just because something is "natural" doesn't make it good for you.

Right. Hemlock is a natural plant... pretty sure Atlas wouldn't wanna eat that.

More to the point EVERYTHING REAL IS ULTIMATELY ENTIRELY NATURAL. Even so-called "artificial substances" all ultimately come from natural substances.