Death is the beginning

[Anomalocaris]

Death is the beginning of an eternity in which there is no you. It is for you but to try to the best of your ability to make the very earliest parts of that eternity infinitesimally better for those would still be there.

If you do that, then your existence might be regarded with some gratitude after you are no more. Buy if chose to become besotted by some self-serving bodies of lies and fantasies and devote the time you have trying in vain to make the eternity better for a you that wouldn’t be there, then your existence would instead be a matter of indifference or lament after you are no more.

[Edwardo Piet]

Death is the end of life, by definition.

Absolutely agreed!

Even if the so-called "afterlife" of religion were true and we really did go somewhere else after our heart stopped beating... that just means life continues and that we never really die.

It shouldn't be called "afterlife". It should be called "continuinginanotherformlife" but I get that that's not as catchy.

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Death is the beginning of an eternity in which there is no you.  

Absolutely. Even if the atoms which made up your body and your consciousness eventually reassembled into another conscious being trillions of years later (or however long it would take, my guess is given an infinite period of time there's a non-zero chance of that happening) in the same way that DNA came out of non-biological life... whatever lifeform that was made of your atoms that eventually became conscious... it wouldn't be you.

In the same way that I am of the opinion that if I did have past lives... they weren't me and they weren't my past lives. It would be incorrect to say that I had a past life.

In fact, even if our consciousness never truly 100% died it would still become damaged to such a low level of consciousness that it was no longer us any more than a so-called past life would be if it re-emerged later.

This is why philosophical theories of personal identity are important!

[Little Rik]

Death is the end of life, by definition.

Few hundred years ago the planet earth was the center of the universe by definition.  

Wonder why these definitions keep on changing as people consciousness get greater and greater?  

[Anomalocaris]

Notice a few hundred years ago we were already dead certain little Rik was a total moron, and our definition of moron haven’t needed any changing, and you are precisely as moronic now as then?

[Little Rik]

Death is the end of life, by definition.

Absolutely agreed!

Even if the so-called "afterlife" of religion were true and we really did go somewhere else after our heart stopped beating... that just means life continues and that we never really die.

It shouldn't be called "afterlife". It should be called "continuinginanotherformlife" but I get that that's not as catchy.

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Death is the beginning of an eternity in which there is no you.  

Absolutely. Even if the atoms which made up your body and your consciousness eventually reassembled into another conscious being trillions of years later (or however long it would take, my guess is given an infinite period of time there's a non-zero chance of that happening) in the same way that DNA came out of non-biological life... whatever lifeform that was made of your atoms that eventually became conscious... it wouldn't be you.

In the same way that I am of the opinion that if I did have past lives... they weren't me and they weren't my past lives. It would be incorrect to say that I had a past life.

In fact, even if our consciousness never truly 100% died it would still become damaged to such a low level of consciousness that it was no longer us any more than a so-called past life would be if it re-emerged later.

This is why philosophical theories of personal identity are important!

How lucky we are.
We can guess and guess with our wild fantasy so that keep us alive.
In this way we never die.

The danger however is that too much fantasy can also damage the brain.  

Thanks for you effort anyway brother.  

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Notice a few hundred years ago we were already dead certain little Rik was a total moron,  and our definition of moron haven’t needed any changing, and you are precisely as moronic now as then?

Well, well...........

We go from a fact (mine) to an offensive strike (yours).
While I produce something interesting you produce only more babble-trifle.  

[Succubus]

Few hundred years ago the planet earth was the center of the universe by definition...

It still is, but for reasons I'm sure you won't understand.

[The Grand Nudger]

OP sounds like a super healthy and not at all fanciful outlook on life that would never lead to horrendous tragedy.

[Wyrd of Gawd]

I was thinking seriously about death. The main reason was me visiting the ER, I'm not the patient though; somebody else is.
Death is flying around them, so it got me thinking seriously yet again.

I will tell what I believe; what I think.

I'm a Muslim. So death to me is actually the begging. That's how I think about it: the bitter gate to the long long life. It's when we sleep for moments to wake up elsewhere, where earth is not earth, the skies are not the skies, everything is different.

We get to meet the angels once we pass the gate of death. I don't know what happens then. But after then we sleep until the day we come back again, in a different existence, in a different day.

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Sura 6, The Quran:
( 93 )   And who is more unjust than one who invents a lie about Allah or says, "It has been inspired to me," while nothing has been inspired to him, and one who says, "I will reveal [something] like what Allah revealed." And if you could but see when the wrongdoers are in the overwhelming pangs of death while the angels extend their hands, [saying], "Discharge your souls! Today you will be awarded the punishment of [extreme] humiliation for what you used to say against Allah other than the truth and [that] you were, toward His verses, being arrogant."

( 94 )   [It will be said to them], "And you have certainly come to Us alone as We created you the first time, and you have left whatever We bestowed upon you behind you. And We do not see with you your 'intercessors' which you claimed that they were among you associates [of Allah]. It has [all] been severed between you, and lost from you is what you used to claim."

Life in this existence is more of a...desperate ride? if I can call it that. I mean we live young; knowing that we would leave someday. But we ignore the fact.

Sura 6, The Quran:
( 32 )   And the worldly life is not but amusement and diversion; but the home of the Hereafter is best for those who fear Allah, so will you not reason?

Sura 10, The Quran:
( 7 )   Indeed, those who do not expect the meeting with Us and are satisfied with the life of this world and feel secure therein and those who are heedless of Our signs

( 8 )   For those their refuge will be the Fire because of what they used to earn.

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Life is not a place of immortality. We know that we will die. Our existence goes side by side with bitter sorrow that any human would realize if they think about it.
That person was going to the ER some day all along; just like me and just like you. Every member here; I know your destiny. But it is "the stereotype" that prevents us from saying this to each other.

Do good before your death comes. I won't follow the stereotype and I will say it to you in the face: you will die. If you're lucky; you'll get to say good bye to your loved ones in the ER.

Then, you will see the angels. They don't look like Christians and Heathens imagined them. Then you wake up for judgement day. That's my belief.


You're not getting away with wrong deeds. Believe me.
Death is just the beginning.

The primary reason the average person has for believing in a deity is because the deity will supposedly reward the person with eternal life.  Of course there are other reasons, such as social, financial, and self-protection so that the fanatics won't kill you.  

On the scale of eternal lives the Islamic version isn't that bad.  It's better than the Christian version.  The Mormon version is the best.  If you really want a good deal then you should covert to Mormonism.  You will become a god with your own world and a huge harem.  It's better than a relatively small 60 mile wide pearl shell paradise.

[WinterHold]

This "eternal life" shit is crafted to make humans feel special.

We are not special.

And your god is as phony as all other gods.

The story told has no evidence that it was forged to serve that purpose.
You get it between your hands and then it's a choice of two: believe and buy, disbelieve and refuse.

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Oh lord you’ve summoned my beloved future husband Ricardo to the thread. Lol

That did it; finally ? I tried to unlock him weeks ago but I failed a lot !

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Death is the end of life, by definition.

Depending on the context you give for life

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Death is the beginning of an eternity in which there is no you.   It is for you but to try to the best of your ability to make the very earliest parts of that eternity infinitesimally better for those would still be there.  

If you do that, then your existence might be regarded with some gratitude after you are no more.  Buy if chose to become besotted by some self-serving bodies of lies and fantasies and devote the time you have trying in vain to make the eternity better for a you that wouldn’t be there, then your existence would instead be a matter of indifference or lament after you are no more.

The quality of this existence can very well be shined and polished through belief in Islam. The decline in quality of today in the life of some Muslims is not due to Islam; but due to many factors that involve deviating from Islam to other lifestyles.

Death was a mere journey that a Muslim should prepare for in advance in this life, coping with the reality of it coming no matter what. I personally think that calling it "eternity" is in itself wrong and I disagree with you.

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Death is the end of life, by definition.

Absolutely agreed!

Even if the so-called "afterlife" of religion were true and we really did go somewhere else after our heart stopped beating... that just means life continues and that we never really die.

It shouldn't be called "afterlife". It should be called "continuinginanotherformlife" but I get that that's not as catchy.

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But God in the Quran did say :

Sura 29, The Quran:
( 20 )   Say, [O Muhammad], "Travel through the land and observe how He began creation. Then Allah will produce the final creation. Indeed Allah, over all things, is competent."

So it is already acknowledged that "the afterlife" is a different creation. IDK what you're trying to say.

Anomalocaris Wrote:

Death is the beginning of an eternity in which there is no you.  

Absolutely. Even if the atoms which made up your body and your consciousness eventually reassembled into another conscious being trillions of years later (or however long it would take, my guess is given an infinite period of time there's a non-zero chance of that happening) in the same way that DNA came out of non-biological life... whatever lifeform that was made of your atoms that eventually became conscious... it wouldn't be you.

In the same way that I am of the opinion that if I did have past lives... they weren't me and they weren't my past lives. It would be incorrect to say that I had a past life.

In fact, even if our consciousness never truly 100% died it would still become damaged to such a low level of consciousness that it was no longer us any more than a so-called past life would be if it re-emerged later.

This is why philosophical theories of personal identity are important!

Being a God that is "capable of anything", he is capable of gathering our atoms back.
Your opinion reminds me with this verse:

Sura 23, The Quran:
(82 )   They said, "When we have died and become dust and bones, are we indeed to be resurrected?

( 83 )   We have been promised this, we and our forefathers, before; this is not but legends of the former peoples."

[The Grand Nudger]

Polish islam, then we'll talk about polishing life through belief in islam.