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(May 4, 2018 at 9:22 am)Mathilda Wrote: All we need is one example not from a mind to counteract his claim. There have been plenty of examples provided already.
Hey, I'm not actually expecting him to provide any.
For starters, what he believes in is supernatural right? And there by definition can't be any evidence of anything supernatural.
So to repeat:
(May 4, 2018 at 9:18 am)Hammy Wrote: I don't accept the premise that DNA can't be explained by natural processes.
But even if I did accept that premise, what makes you think that DNA (or indeed anything) can be explained by unnatural or supernatural processes?
Even without all the science and evidence of evolution... that still wouldn't be one shred of evidence towards God.
(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work. If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now. Yes, I DO want fries with that.
(May 4, 2018 at 10:09 am)CDF47 Wrote: Non-functional information is Shannon Information. Functional information, like is stored in DNA, is complex and specific.
- Given some information, how can you determine if it is functional or not?
May 4, 2018 at 10:19 am (This post was last modified: May 4, 2018 at 10:22 am by The Grand Nudger.)
This is starting to come off the rails. We've gone from "Genetics proves god" to "Genetics is a lie" to "How can something come from nothing".
Interspersed throughout with professions of the articles of your faith, and imploring us to accept jesus.
Howsabout you just hand us your Chick Tracts and be done with it?
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See the videos below for how DNA works. Information always comes from a mind or intelligent being on this earth. Computer codes always come from programmers. Nested in DNA is information which on this earth always comes from an intelligence:
May 4, 2018 at 10:20 am (This post was last modified: May 4, 2018 at 10:22 am by Edwardo Piet.)
(May 4, 2018 at 10:14 am)CDF47 Wrote: A mind that transcends this universe created it. The proof is in the creation[...]
You've already contradicted yourself right there. If this mind transcends the universe then we cannot have evidence of it and the proof can't be within its natural creation but must instead be outside of it where we literally can't possibly detect it.
Whenever the natural world can't be explained naturally that just means we don't know the explanation yet. Postulating the existence of something outside of our experience explains absolutely nothing. It just leaves us with even more to explain.
And you're begging the question by referring to the natural world as "the creation" as you're already assuming it was created before you've even provided an argument that it was.
Evidence is beyond your reach because you're talking about something non-empirical.
As a theist all you've got left is arguments... and so far it's just been thousands of years of logical failures and fallacies on the theist's part.
May 4, 2018 at 10:21 am (This post was last modified: May 4, 2018 at 10:25 am by Amarok.)
(May 4, 2018 at 10:18 am)Mathilda Wrote:
(May 4, 2018 at 10:09 am)CDF47 Wrote: Non-functional information is Shannon Information. Functional information, like is stored in DNA, is complex and specific.
- Given some information, how can you determine if it is functional or not?
CDF47 Wrote:LOL....Meyers has great credentials and he is a brilliant scientist and debater. You should listen to his videos and debates. They are excellent.
Hint: A bachelor's in physics and earth science are not great credentials for claims in the field of biology. Being a good debater is performance art, and does not actually imply someone is right.
