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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:06 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 12:02 am)Khemikal Wrote: (May 14, 2018 at 11:59 pm)CDF47 Wrote:
Yes, for the flagellum but the pump is still irreducibly complex. Other molecular machines are still irreducibly complex. Firstly, this is called moving the goalposts. Secondly and again..it;s not. The protein export has a precursor system as well. Do you want to know what;s under that, and how many layers down will we have to go before you stop?
Not moving the goal post. What is under the pump? I am sure the components can be used in other machines like I previously said. For instance, I am sure the union could be used for another machine. I would guess the propellar of the flagellum is used by other machines,......
(May 15, 2018 at 12:03 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:Scientists are not finding that in these molecular machines.
Actually they are
Quote:They are finding that they are irreducibly complex or can serve as different machine types under different variants.
Actually they are not
Quote: See post above.
It's false so it does not matter .
Quote:The pump (Type III Transport System) is irreducibly complex.
No it's not
Where are they finding this? Like I said, I agree components can be used for other machines.
Provide specifics.
No, it is not. Agree to disagree.
What is below it. Like I said, I agree components can be used for other machines.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:09 am
Already told you. It's called precursor protein translocation. Some bacteria possess all three systems.
-and now you managed to be wrong about whether or not you;ve moved the goalposts, as well. Wanna do it again, ask me what;s under the precursor trans?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:09 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 12:06 am)Khemikal Wrote: You;re wrong about the tIII as well.
How?
(May 15, 2018 at 12:09 am)Khemikal Wrote: Already told you. It's called precursor protein translocation. Some bacteria possess all three systems.
-and now you managed to be wrong about whether or not you;ve moved the goalposts, as well. Wanna do it again, ask me what;s under the precursor trans?
That's pretty cool. Sure, keep going. I am interested. I love this subject and if these machines can use different components for other functional machines that is equally impressive to me. I am sure some are still irreducibly complex.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:12 am
Quote:Where are they finding this? Like I said, I agree components can be used for other machines.
in labs were you creationist noobs are not
Quote:Provide specifics.
So you can ignore them . Then scream conspiracy?
Quote:What is below it. Like I said, I agree components can be used for other machines.
What?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:13 am
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How can you be sure that there are many irreducibly complex things when you don;t have a single example of something irreducibly complex?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:13 am
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Quote:Sure, keep going.
So you can deny it
Quote: I am interested.
No your not
Quote: I love this subject and if these machines can use different components for other functional machines that is equally impressive to me.
That affirms it
Quote: I am sure some are still irreducibly complex
Nope not a one .
(May 15, 2018 at 12:13 am)Khemikal Wrote: How can you be sure that there are many irreducibly complex things when you don;t have a single example of something irreducibly complex? Aside an argument from ignorance or a lack of imagination . Mixed with a false dilemma fallacy .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:16 am
@Tiz
The Beheian argument tends to run along the lines of "I don;t know stuff, therefore god!".
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:18 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 12:12 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:Where are they finding this? Like I said, I agree components can be used for other machines.
in labs were you creationist noobs are not
Quote:Provide specifics.
So you can ignore them . Then scream conspiracy?
Quote:What is below it. Like I said, I agree components can be used for other machines.
What?
Alright.
I won't ignore it. There is only so much I can read though. Sometimes articles 40 pages long are posted for me to read. I ignore those. Maybe read the conclusion.
What is below the pump. It was already listed in the post above so don't worry about it.
(May 15, 2018 at 12:13 am)Khemikal Wrote: How can you be sure that there are many irreducibly complex things when you don;t have a single example of something irreducibly complex?
Because these are functional machines so eventually you will get to a point where you are down to just a few non-functional components which don't do anything. The step above that would be irreducibly complex.
(May 15, 2018 at 12:13 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Quote:Sure, keep going.
So you can deny it
Quote: I am interested.
No your not
Quote: I love this subject and if these machines can use different components for other functional machines that is equally impressive to me.
That affirms it
Quote: I am sure some are still irreducibly complex
Nope not a one .
(May 15, 2018 at 12:13 am)Khemikal Wrote: How can you be sure that there are many irreducibly complex things when you don;t have a single example of something irreducibly complex? Aside an argument from ignorance or a lack of imagination . Mixed with a false dilemma fallacy .
No, I won't if it is true.
Yes, I am. I already am reading about that third machine.
Affirms nothing.
I am sure there are some. See post above.
No, it's not.
(May 15, 2018 at 12:16 am)Khemikal Wrote: @Tiz
The Beheian argument tends to run along the lines of "I don;t know stuff, therefore god!".
Now that is a straw man.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:25 am
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(May 15, 2018 at 12:18 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 15, 2018 at 12:13 am)Khemikal Wrote: How can you be sure that there are many irreducibly complex things when you don;t have a single example of something irreducibly complex?
Because these are functional machines so eventually you will get to a point where you are down to just a few non-functional components which don't do anything. The step above that would be irreducibly complex.
You won;t get to any point like that until you dial it all the way back to the margins of the rna world hypothesis where there are no machines..just chemistry.
Just for clarity...you think there must be alot of something that you have no examples of... because you think there must be alot of something you have no examples of?
@ Strawman...lol....I wish it were, but it's not.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
May 15, 2018 at 12:25 am
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Quote:I won't ignore it. There is only so much I can read though. Sometimes articles 40 pages long are posted for me to read. I ignore those. Maybe read the conclusion.
Yes you will as your ID overlords have
Quote:What is below the pump. It was already listed in the post above so don't worry about it.
Again what ?
Quote:No, I won't if it is true.
Yes you will .
Quote:Yes, I am. I already am reading about that third machine.
And when it does not go you way out comes conspiracies
Quote:I am sure there are some. See post above.
You gave no examples
Quote:No, it's not
Yes it is your whole case is an argument for ignorance and a false dilemma. And a lack of imagination .
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