DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Joods]

No we won't 

Doesn't matter because what i said was true therefore your disagreement i meaningless 


Doesn't matter because what i said was true therefore your disagreement i meaningless 


No you are 

It's important 

Yes it very much is 


Nope 


Nope 


No you have not 

Nope 

Yes


Yes

Yes

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Nope all evolutionary biologists who stick to science. 

Doesn't matter because what i said was true therefore your disagreement i meaningless 

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Everything concluding in ID

LOL...I disagree.

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Just here to contribute to the potential 1000 pages of spam. Oh and I'm an atheist by the way.

Welcome.  I was hoping you would be a theist.

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Except that Bacterial flagellum isn't a motor. It isn't a machine. You are making a poor attempt at mixing biology with man made machines, such as airplanes. See below.

You can't do that. To do so would be like calling an apple the exact same thing as a Rubik's Cube. 

https://www.britannica.com/science/flagellum

Yes, it is a molecular machine.  See additional information below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_machine

Proteins form into components of machines and into machines.

LOL referencing wiki's that can be edited by anyone. How about a peer reviewed journal or something by an accredited university, where actual scientific studies have been performed. 

I provided you with the definition of Bacterial Flagellum. First and foremost - it has the key word "bacterial" in it. That alone points to biology and the study of bacteria, so quit being dense. You just look pathetic at this point.

[CDF47]

Only the evolutionist scientists who swear to protect Neo-Darwinism unto the death.

I disagree.

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Provide a post number where I lied.

All 578 of them so far. You're still posting, so the number of posts that you've lied in, will certainly continue to grow.

I feel I did not lie at all in any one of those posts and I will continue to tell the truth as time goes on.

[Joods]

One can see why you missed the point. It must be hard trying to keep all your lies and conspiracy bs straight.
It might help you to take notes somewhere so you can keep your lies in order. It would be a shame to get called out for them. 
Oh wait......

Provide a post number where I lied.

I already answered this. Repeating questions will get ignored.

[I_am_not_mafia]

What does this mean? Please describe the process by which one can be spiritually blinded.

There are a number of causes for spiritual blindness; such as pride, ignorance, following blind leaders, caring what other people think rather than the truth, rebellion against God,...  When you are spiritually blind you are separated from God and you continue to lie to yourself.  

The spiritually blind must cry out to God for help but often their pride stops them.  Many remain willfully ignorant.  They must lose their pride, humble themselves, and seek the light, which is Jesus Christ for salvation.

So you think that we are not convinced by what you are saying because we have pride?

Is it a possibility that you have too much pride yourself making you unable to understand why other people don't think the way you do?

Or too much pride in assuming that you are the only one that is correct here?

[CDF47]

LOL...I disagree.

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Welcome.  I was hoping you would be a theist.

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Yes, it is a molecular machine.  See additional information below:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_machine

Proteins form into components of machines and into machines.

LOL referencing wiki's that can be edited by anyone. How about a peer reviewed journal or something by an accredited university, where actual scientific studies have been performed. 

I provided you with the definition of Bacterial Flagellum. First and foremost - it has the key word "bacterial" in it. That alone points to biology and the study of bacteria, so quit being dense. You just look pathetic at this point.

There is a review process for edits and some are changed back on topics like this.  Here is a non-wiki source (https://www.nature.com/subjects/molecula...and-motors).  There are many others. Below is a video of the flagellum motor:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFq_MGf3sbk

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There are a number of causes for spiritual blindness; such as pride, ignorance, following blind leaders, caring what other people think rather than the truth, rebellion against God,...  When you are spiritually blind you are separated from God and you continue to lie to yourself.  

The spiritually blind must cry out to God for help but often their pride stops them.  Many remain willfully ignorant.  They must lose their pride, humble themselves, and seek the light, which is Jesus Christ for salvation.

So you think that we are not convinced by what you are saying because we have pride?

Is it a possibility that you have too much pride yourself making you unable to understand why other people don't think the way you do?

Or too much pride in assuming that you are the only one that is correct here?

Pride is a typical one, probably often the problem in here.  There are other causes I listed which are also a problem in here.

I did very deep soul searching and a ton of research before coming to the conclusions I came to.  I mean I always felt looking at the human body or the body of an animal showed clear signs of design but I really found what I was looking for in ID.  It still boggles my mind to this day.  So no, I do not feel I am being too prideful.

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The bacterial flagellum is irreducibly complex. I was right. It has co-option with the pump. There are 40 parts in the flagellum motor and only 10 parts in the pump. Take away one part from either machine and the machine fails to function. See video below (10 minute mark):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NaVoGfSSSV8

I also forgot to mention, the assembly instructions are incredibly complex and specific for the flagellum motor. Each part must be constructed in order with start and stop commands and then the machine is switched on when all construction is complete. If even one piece is out of place the motor will not work. It has to be constructed perfectly. It is known as the most efficient motor in the universe.

[Angrboda]

Even Little Rik would outdo you in a debate................

Who is Little Rik?

Little Rik is a follower of a Hindu sect known as Ananda Marga, the path to bliss, and a perennial presence on the forum. He only posts basicallly once a day, so he'd be just your speed. Like you, he too is convinced that he has practically never been wrong about anything. However, his beliefs are incompatible with yours, so despite both of you believing you're right, one of you is necessarily wrong. I invite you to show him that he's the one who's wrong.

You can start with the Evolution thread, here, wherein he argues that evolution refers to the development of consciousness from a latent form in inanimate matter, through plants, to animals, to humans, and finally to merging with God via transmigration of souls/consciousness. His latest arguments are here in the Best Theistic arguments thread.

You can also see Little Rik's member profile for a link to threads he has started. He's a frequent advocate of the idea that NDEs prove reincarnation and karma.

[CDF47]

Who is Little Rik?

Little Rik is a follower of a Hindu sect known as Ananda Marga, the path to bliss, and a perennial presence on the forum.  He only posts basicallly once a day, so he'd be just your speed.  Like you, he too is convinced that he has practically never been wrong about anything.  However, his beliefs are incompatible with yours, so despite both of you believing you're right, one of you is necessarily wrong.  I invite you to show him that he's the one who's wrong.

You can start with the Evolution thread, here, wherein he argues that evolution refers to the development of consciousness from a latent form in inanimate matter, through plants, to animals, to humans, and finally to merging with God via transmigration of souls/consciousness.  His latest arguments are here in the Best Theistic arguments thread.

You can also see Little Rik's member profile for a link to threads he has started.  He's a frequent advocate of the idea that NDEs prove reincarnation and karma.

OK, I see.  I don't believe I am always right about everything but in this case I have a lot of sound proof and evidence on my side so I cannot say where I am wrong.  I did a lot of research to come up with my views.

Regarding Little Rik, yeah we have a lot of differing views then.  Maybe I will join-in some of those threads and provide some input.

[Angrboda]

Scientists are not finding that in these molecular machines.  They are finding that they are irreducibly complex or can serve as different machine types under different variants.  See post above.

The whole point is that irreducibly complex systems cannot have evolved by natural means because any system containing fewer parts would not function, and failing to function, the organism would not survive to be able to reproduce itself to eventually evolve the irreducibly complex function. If you admit that the organism could survive with a degraded irreducibly complex system, and thereby offer a path by which the irreducibly complex function could have evolved. By admitting that an irreducibly complex system had a functional precursor, even though the functions are different, you've essentially gutted the concept of irreducible complexity.

You're so bad at this that you don't even understand your own talking points. All that comes out of you is a river of nonsense.

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-and now you;ve been wrong twice in as many posts about logical fallacies.  Like I said..wrong about literally everything.  I wonder if the acknowledgement and correction thread will be 200 pages long, too?

LOL...I was wrong about the flagellum and the pump being irreducibly complex but the system below it is irreducibly complex.  Not sure of any other errors.

[possibletarian]

I also forgot to mention, the assembly instructions are incredibly complex and specific for the flagellum motor.  Each part must be constructed in order with start and stop commands and then the machine is switched on when all construction is complete.  If even one piece is out of place the motor will not work.  It has to be constructed perfectly.  It is known as the most efficient motor in the universe.

Such gobshyte.

https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...y-complex/

Actually, flagella vary widely from one species to another, and some of the components can perform useful functions by themselves. They are anything but irreducibly complex

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Perhaps a read of this site will help you not make such basic mistakes as we see in this thread.

Evolution: 24 myths and misconceptions
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1...nceptions/

[Angrboda]

What an trumpesque worm.

The machine under the pump is irreducibly complex so it is no longer just an assertion.

Argument from ignorance
Intelligent design proponents attribute to an intelligent designer those biological structures they believe are irreducibly complex and therefore they say a natural explanation is insufficient to account for them. However, critics view irreducible complexity as a special case of the "complexity indicates design" claim, and thus see it as an argument from ignorance and as a God-of-the-gaps argument.

Wikipedia || Irreducible Complexity

Irreducible complexity, including your specific claim about the precursors to the bacterial flagellum, is the claim that because we don't know the steps it took to evolve any particular system, that it therefore did not and could not evolve. That's a non sequitur, the conclusion doesn't follow from the premises, and specifically an argument from ignorance. All you're doing by repeating the argument is repeating a flawed argument. Your repetition of an invalid argument, no matter how many times you repeat it, will not make it right. If you want irreducible complexity to be a valid argument, you have to show not only do we not know the precursor to a given system, but also that a precursor system is not even possible in theory. You've done the former, not the latter. That is why you fail.

Argument from ignorance
Argument from ignorance (from Latin: argumentum ad ignorantiam), also known as appeal to ignorance (in which ignorance represents "a lack of contrary evidence") is a fallacy in informal logic. It asserts that a proposition is either true or false because of lack or absence of evidence or proof to the contrary. This represents a type of false dichotomy in that it excludes a third option, which is that there may have been an insufficient investigation, and therefore there is insufficient information to prove the proposition be either true or false. Nor does it allow the admission that the choices may in fact not be two (true or false), but may be as many as four.

Wikipedia || Argument from ignorance