DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[CDF47]

-and yet it doesn;t know the first thing about it's own creations mind or the manner in which everything was created.  

God-as-idiot savant.  Good at counting hairs, bad at everything else.

He can choose to work with His creation as He wills.  He prefers to be a mysterious God.

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Um........didn;t you -just- tell us otherwise?  You need to work harder to keep your shit straight, at a bare minimum.  I;m not demanding that it make sense, only suggesting that you pick a silly story and stick with it.

No, I said before that evil existed before the fall because obviously the devil was here to tempt Eve in the Garden of Eden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil existed.

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Phew, glad he let somebody else do all that work.  Where would we be without him.  

Sometimes it is miraculous healing and sometimes it is through medicine and doctors.  That's all.

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He has allowed there to be medical devices now that can significantly help amputees.  Sometimes He allows doctors and medicine to help or heal people.

Then why did I have to spend years in medical school, then as an intern, and continue my learning and working hard if it wanted me to cure people?  Why not just give me the skills and knowledge?

I had to work hard for my degree too.  God worked to construct the universe and hold it together.  We have to work in this life time.

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Just an analogy.  It is helpful, that is how He can control every molecule in the universe as He chooses.  A supercomputer could count the number of hairs on the head of a created character in the universe that was built in it.  Similar for God who can count the number of hairs on our head.

A rather prescient analogy, I might add.  Since God is omniscient, he always knows what is the best thing to do at any instant, by definition.  Thus God doesn't need to be intelligent, and indeed, being intelligent would be a hindrance to his acting efficiently.  Since acting less efficiently than possible is an imperfection, God cannot be intelligent, as that would mean he is not perfect.  So the necessary conclusion of Christian theology is that God is an automaton, mindlessly carrying out the actions which his omniscience dictates that he perform.  

So, yes, your God is very much like a super computer.

Not in that sense He isn't.  He is not automated.  He is the ultimate reality, the primordial One, and true and living God.

[The Grand Nudger]

He can choose to work with His creation as He wills.  He prefers to be a mysterious God.

You confuse your own ignorance for his mystery.

No, I said before that evil existed before the fall because obviously the devil was here to tempt Eve in the Garden of Eden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil existed.

-and you also claimed before that evil came after the fall of man, then corrected yourself to say that it came with the "devil" (lololol)..and now correct yourself again to say it came with the fall.  Pick a story.

Sometimes it is miraculous healing and sometimes it is through medicine and doctors.  That's all.

Something tells me a surgeon doen;t need your stupid god breathing down it;s neck while they;re performing open heart surgery..and I doubt that any of them ever make sure that the proper prayers and incantations have been said before opening someone up.

I had to work hard for my degree too.  God worked to construct the universe and hold it together.  We have to work in this life time.

You should ask for your money back on that one.

[CDF47]

@CDF
-so is some™ of everyone elses silly religion.

By some I mean all, all of all of your religions are symbolic..there is no fucking god, lol.  If you can;t tease out the value of your faith in the absence of pixies then your faith has no value.  Similarly, if you conclude that the faiths of others have no value because they include pixies just as your own.... then you condemn your own as equally worthless.

Pick a story...stick with it.

Science shows us there is a Creator through DNA, molecular machines, and the fine-tuning of the universe, and the Big Bang.  From there I turn to theology.

[The Grand Nudger]

I doubt that science has ever shown you anything..it;s the latter bit of that absurd claim that informs you...and I don;t know why it;s so hard for you to concede that?   Can you not simply admit that you believe through faith in magic book? Or that your belief by faith in magic book is the lens through which you (mis)interpret whatever bit of science accidentally falls in front of your face?

You;re not exactly affirming science in this thread.......your whole MO has been to try and show why you don;t believe in the unifying theory of biology, lol. You prefer a third hand creation myth and pixies to science or biology.

[Angrboda]

A rather prescient analogy, I might add.  Since God is omniscient, he always knows what is the best thing to do at any instant, by definition.  Thus God doesn't need to be intelligent, and indeed, being intelligent would be a hindrance to his acting efficiently.  Since acting less efficiently than possible is an imperfection, God cannot be intelligent, as that would mean he is not perfect.  So the necessary conclusion of Christian theology is that God is an automaton, mindlessly carrying out the actions which his omniscience dictates that he perform.  

So, yes, your God is very much like a super computer.

Not in that sense He isn't.  He is not automated.  He is the ultimate reality, the primordial One, and true and living God.

Oh? In what way is my logic incorrect? Perhaps you can take a break from making unsupported claims and explain that to me.

[CDF47]

He can choose to work with His creation as He wills.  He prefers to be a mysterious God.

You confuse your own ignorance for his mystery.

No, I said before that evil existed before the fall because obviously the devil was here to tempt Eve in the Garden of Eden and the tree of knowledge of good and evil existed.

-and you also claimed before that evil came after the fall of man, then corrected yourself to say that it came with the "devil" (lololol)..and now correct yourself again to say it came with the fall.  Pick a story.

Sometimes it is miraculous healing and sometimes it is through medicine and doctors.  That's all.

Something tells me a surgeon doen;t need your stupid god breathing down it;s neck while they;re performing open heart surgery..and I doubt that any of them ever make sure that the proper prayers and incantations have been said before opening someone up.

I had to work hard for my degree too.  God worked to construct the universe and hold it together.  We have to work in this life time.

You should ask for your money back on that one.

No, He is a mysterious God.  I have had religious experiences.  

I just most recently said sin came to man with the fall.  I didn't change anything.  Evil began when the devil rebelled in heaven and he and his followers were cast out.

I believe God uses doctors as healers often on this earth.  It is God's world.  He is sovereign over it.

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I doubt that science has ever shown you anything..it;s the latter bit of that absurd claim that informs you...and I don;t know why it;s so hard for you to concede that?   Can you not simply admit that you believe through faith in magic book?  Or that your belief by faith in magic book is the lens through which you (mis)interpret whatever bit of science accidentally falls in front of your face?  

You;re not exactly affirming science in this thread.......your whole MO has been to try and show why you don;t believe in the unifying theory of biology, lol.  You prefer a third hand creation myth and pixies to science or biology.

Science goes hand in hand with the God of the Bible.  He is the Creator of everything and He holds it all together.

[The Grand Nudger]

No, He is a mysterious God.  I have had religious experiences.  

-by this I can only conclude that you've had experiences which you cannot personally explain.  That's one of the first things you've said in this thread that I believe to be gods honest truth..wholeheartedly.  

I just most recently said sin came to man with the fall.  I didn't change anything.  Evil began when the devil rebelled in heaven and he and his followers were cast out.

Do I need to do a "which one of these assholes is right" quote with 5 assholes in it..this time?  Just stop.

I believe God uses doctors as healers often on this earth.  It is God's world.  He is sovereign over it.

Yeah, I;m sure he has his hands right up their asses.  

[CDF47]

Not in that sense He isn't.  He is not automated.  He is the ultimate reality, the primordial One, and true and living God.

Oh?  In what way is my logic incorrect?  Perhaps you can take a break from making unsupported claims and explain that to me.

I did explain it.  He is not automated.  He is a living God.  Eternal God.

[The Grand Nudger]

Science goes hand in hand with the God of the Bible.  He is the Creator of everything and He holds it all together.

250 pages of you posting demonstrate otherwise. He can;t even hold your fractured mind together. Maybe he should start there and then work his way up to universes?

[Foxaèr]

No, He is a mysterious God.  I have had religious experiences.  

I just most recently said sin came to man with the fall.  I didn't change anything.  Evil began when the devil rebelled in heaven and he and his followers were cast out.

I believe God uses doctors as healers often on this earth.  It is God's world.  He is sovereign over it.

I prefer reading more entertaining fiction to occupy my time; christianity is quite primitive in its narrative structure.