DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[pocaracas]

No, No, No, No, No, No!
That is a very wrong leap.
DNA looks designed to your simple mind.
The Universe looks fine tuned to your simple mind.
But you have no way of showing these two designs. Because of this, you cannot infer anything from those "looks designed".

If the whole Universe is designed, then you don't have any basis to argue for any design, because you have nothing - NOTHING - that's not designed for you to compare and measure against.
If the Universe is not designed, then it just isn't.... and the fact that it looks designed to your mind is just your ignorance talking.

It all clearly looks designed because it is designed.  Ever think of that.

Have you ever come across the concept of emergent complexity?
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/properties-emergent/

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[E]mergent entities (properties or substances) ‘arise’ out of more fundamental entities and yet are ‘novel’ or ‘irreducible’ with respect to them. (For example, it is sometimes said that consciousness is an emergent property of the brain.) [...] There has been renewed interest in emergence within discussions of the behavior of complex systems and debates over the reconcilability of mental causation, intentionality, or consciousness with physicalism.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergence
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Systems scientist Peter Corning also says that living systems cannot be reduced to underlying laws of physics:

Rules, or laws, have no causal efficacy; they do not in fact “generate” anything. They serve merely to describe regularities and consistent relationships in nature. These patterns may be very illuminating and important, but the underlying causal agencies must be separately specified (though often they are not). But that aside, the game of chess illustrates ... why any laws or rules of emergence and evolution are insufficient. Even in a chess game, you cannot use the rules to predict “history” – i.e., the course of any given game. Indeed, you cannot even reliably predict the next move in a chess game. Why? Because the “system” involves more than the rules of the game. It also includes the players and their unfolding, moment-by-moment decisions among a very large number of available options at each choice point. The game of chess is inescapably historical, even though it is also constrained and shaped by a set of rules, not to mention the laws of physics. Moreover, and this is a key point, the game of chess is also shaped by teleonomic, cybernetic, feedback-driven influences. It is not simply a self-ordered process; it involves an organized, “purposeful” activity.[8]
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Many complex seemingly designed things exist, and yet... they can be easily reduced to emergent properties. I think DNA is one such thing, and the Universe too.

[Mister Agenda]

The atheists are the ones that need to come to Christ for the salvation of their souls.

Have you considered starting a thread about that instead of hijacking your own thread in order to preach?

[The Grand Nudger]

Anecdotal, but the proportion of people in combat arms who identify as christians always seemed lower than the proportion of fobbits who identified.  I suppose that makes sense, since fobbits actually have services and time to attend them...so even if a person did have christer leanings they would progressively fall out of that faith community and habits on deployment.  Never heard groundpounders excitedly giggling about going to church when they got a leisure rotation, either..unless strip joints and bars count.  

Whatever the proportion may be, I can tell you definitively that none of them are dicks like our best bud.  Harassing and threatening an infantryman with christerisms face to face would be bad for your health regardless of what he did or didn;t believe in. They kept us pretty high strung most of the time. Probably something in the water, lol.

[Mister Agenda]

Does anyone here acknowledge that there may be a Creator?  Please let me know.  Just curious.

Yet another topic worthy of its own thread used to change the subject of the thread you started. It's possible, in the sense that any unfalsifiable proposition that isn't inherently contradictory could conceivably be true. Like it's possible we're all in the Matrix.

So here's the thing. If there is a Creator, it's not the one you're worshiping. It's not all powerful, all knowing, and all good; because those attributes contradict each other and the world we find ourselves in, such a being is impossible. It's not the God of Abraham, because the things the God of Abraham did, like flooding the whole world up to the mountaintops and stopping the sun in the sky...those things didn't happen. And Abraham himself was almost certainly fictional.

If there is a Creator, this is what we can know about it: it can create at least one universe like the one we find ourselves in. That's it. It's as likely to be a Lovecraftian horror that generates universe so it can feed on their entropy or a kid who accidentally sat on the 'run universe' button of a console as something even remotely like the Creator you were raised to believe in.

[CDF47]

And as for books that drove people to suicide .How about people who have commited murder suicides because of the bible.

How about the communist regimes that killed 10's of millions of people with no regard for human life.

[Mister Agenda]

So says the atheist non-believer.

You don't have to believe the Bible to tell the difference between Bible claims and ID claims.

[The Grand Nudger]

Apparently, though, if you believe in ID...you can;t.  It;s an unfortunate trap for the weak of faith.

[Mister Agenda]

Lying about what?  I said I have not lied one time in all my posts.  I believe I have spoken truth in every post I made.

Even all the times you said we believe everything comes from nothing after we explained that that is not what we think? After we told you otherwise, that was not just a straw man, it was a bald-faced lie.

[CDF47]

DNA information is a highly sophisticated code which could have only come from an intelligence.

So that's a no.

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Yes, there are creation myth stories from other pagan religions but they are just that myths.  Read how they sound.

Like magic fruit, talking snakes, flaming swords, dust come to life, that sort of thing?

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Can't even see that there is a code inside DNA.  Atheists think the code wrote itself somehow.  How stupid is that?  Really, it makes no sense at all.

Have you considered praying for a better argument? And again, I notice that you never address RNA world, the hypothesis for abiogenesis with the most support, and an explanation for the origin of DNA. How cowardly is that?

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You will find out on judgment day.  That is not the right time to be looking for salvation.  DNA shows a Creator.

A good mafia Don would pay you for delivering his threats. Also, argument ad baculum (threats, basically) is a logical fallacy. Also, Jesus never advised his followers to threaten non-believers with hellfire, possibly because it would be stupid to threaten someone with something you haven't gotten to believe is real, yet; AND it's a tactic you use when you don't have any good arguments. Also, supposedly, Jesus said we would know their followers by their love. That's not what comes to mind when I think of you.

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He has shown Himself through the creation, through our conscious, and through His word.

Then everyone should already believe in your God and there should only be one religion, rather than your religion depending mostly on where you're born.

Just did speak of condemnation to His followers.  He is the same Lord as the OT.

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Apparently, though, if you believe in ID...you can;t.  It;s an unfortunate trap for the weak of faith.

No, it's not.  You have not provided one bit of evidence for why that would be so.

[The Grand Nudger]

That may be true, but he;s not the same person as Micheal Behe...lol. Why would I need to present any additional evidence? You went ahead and gave us hundreds of pages all by your one-sies.