DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[The Valkyrie]

The bible says the bible is the word of god because the bible says so.  So it must be true!

Bu that is not what he means. Your interpretation is taking the worse approach to his words and giving them the worse way to perceive them.

What he is saying is that a contradictory book says something and he believes it.

Which is fine...

...so long as he doesn't expect us to accept it on that alone...

...which many do...

[Mystic]

Bu that is not what he means. Your interpretation is taking the worse approach to his words and giving them the worse way to perceive them.

What he is saying is that a contradictory book says something and he believes it.

Which is fine...

...so long as he doesn't expect us to accept it on that alone...

...which many do...

He is saying and I Can be wrong, his holy book is working with a concept of a Creator to the universe. The details of that Creator is then the subject for that holy book to prove and manifest.

The light of that Creator is then upon the book to prove and manifest.  

Of course, when he is talking about a designer through proof of DNA, it's a big red herring to go off tangent and begin to talk about how to know the mystical attributes of the Creator and the right balance.....

As far as this topic goes, the Quran, the Bible, etc, they all claim to originate from the Creator... so we are talking about the Creator of the worlds in that sense.

He has having fun and trolling you, but he is also showing you guys in very short words, the none sense you guys rely on and spew, is pretty much that, none-sense.

And your debating tactics, won't make design in nature go away nor how manifest it is....

[The Valkyrie]

And the theists, MK, will never prove a design that isn't there by repeating tge same claims over and over again.

[Mystic]

And the theists, MK,  will never prove a design that isn't there by repeating tge same claims over and over again.

True, nor your denial make the actual proofs out there go away nor reflections that are found in writing go away.

You guys aren't the only jury that are important to pay attention to.

He is pretty much showing tit for that, method. You guys aren't will to research but just claim there is no evidence of design, or if you do research, you don't dismantle the evidence out there. 

Rather you take it as good enough you deny that it's not evidence.

If most humans are not reasoning properly, there is no reason humans ought to think you guys are reasoning on the other hand properly either.

[The Valkyrie]

And the theists, MK,  will never prove a design that isn't there by repeating tge same claims over and over again.

True, nor your denial make the actual proofs out there go away nor reflections that are found in writing go away.

You guys aren't the only jury that are important to pay attention to.

He is pretty much showing tit for that, method. You guys aren't will to research but just claim there is no evidence of design, or if you do research, you don't dismantle the evidence out there. 

Rather you take it as good enough you deny that it's not evidence.

If most humans are not reasoning properly, there is no reason humans ought to think you guys are reasoning on the other hand properly either.

No, we're not the only jury, but we're not willing to accept religious books or religious claims as evidence. Nor are most of us trying to convince people that our way is the only way, usually backed up with threats of eternal torment.

You will find that most atheists, myself included, were believers at some stage, often very devout (please don't pull the "you weren't REAL believers" crap).

Any many of us have researched various religious claims and dismissed them after tgat research.

[pocaracas]

So you believe we are trapped in a computer game.  Who built the computer?  It will always go back to a primordial mind which I believe is the Christian God of the Bible and there is no computer game.  You seen the Matrix once too many times.

The god in the Bible is too stupid to create anything.  I suggest you upgrade to a more sensible god like Athena or Ganesha.

You mean the one that can't defeat iron chariots?
Could it have to do with the Iron that he himself created?

[Mystic]

True, nor your denial make the actual proofs out there go away nor reflections that are found in writing go away.

You guys aren't the only jury that are important to pay attention to.

He is pretty much showing tit for that, method. You guys aren't will to research but just claim there is no evidence of design, or if you do research, you don't dismantle the evidence out there. 

Rather you take it as good enough you deny that it's not evidence.

If most humans are not reasoning properly, there is no reason humans ought to think you guys are reasoning on the other hand properly either.

No, we're not the only jury, but we're not willing to accept religious books or religious claims as evidence.  Nor are most of us trying to convince people that our way is the only way, usually backed up with threats of eternal torment.

You will find that most atheists, myself included, were believers at some stage, often very devout (please don't pull the "you weren't REAL believers" crap).

Any many of us have researched various religious claims and dismissed them after tgat research.

Religious claims in themselves are never evidence. But God's proof and how exactly we are connected to him if he exists and are connected to him, is not something we can impose ignorance on.

And it's convenient to dismiss any capability of realizing higher inward realities, by just doing away with it as hallucination or a spectrum of illness.

But at the end, to see you have to see yourself, and no one can make you take that plunge.

I believe personally the strongest proof when it comes to God, is that his witnessing reality to all things, is how things are defined and experienced through love, we all believe there is a true reality to our personhood, and we all know it's not a physical thing, but an idea, an idea that is real and we experience as ourselves yet we don't know ourselves fully, so where does the true idea of ourselves exist?  It's a command from God to exist, from his vision, and only the absolute judge can account for our actions and judge us. Yet what are we at the end, but a judgement from the absolute vision, that all the loving acts or hateful acts, good or bad acts, and hue and form of our personality, where is that but in the vision of God?

We see degree of it like we see stars from a far place, we don't experience the absolute judgement to who we are, even if we had 100% accurate vision, it would not be absolute vision, but we aren't partly existing, we are existing, and so our personhood is in the vision of God and no one truly knows us but him.

[Abaddon_ire]

The god in the Bible is too stupid to create anything.  I suggest you upgrade to a more sensible god like Athena or Ganesha.

The God of the Bible is the Creator of the heavens and the earth as stated in Scripture.

Quran says you are flat out wrong. Bit of a problem, no?

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The bible says the bible is the word of god because the bible says so.  So it must be true!

Bu that is not what he means. Your interpretation is taking the worse approach to his words and giving them the worse way to perceive them.

CDF47 believes that Allah (butt be upon him) is of SATAN. Why are you of all people defending his superstitious whack-a-loonery? CDF47 thinks that you will burn in hell for accepting a common warlord as a prophet and for accepting Allah as anything other that the embodiment of Satan.

On the other hand, your crank religion requires that you must tax CDF47 for his foolish unbelief and even kill him. You guys are going to have to work out those details before you can even attempt to defend each others beliefs.

[CDF47]

The God of the Bible is the Creator of the heavens and the earth as stated in Scripture.

Quran says you are flat out wrong. Bit of a problem, no?

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Bu that is not what he means. Your interpretation is taking the worse approach to his words and giving them the worse way to perceive them.

CDF47 believes that Allah (butt be upon him) is of SATAN. Why are you of all people defending his superstitious whack-a-loonery? CDF47 thinks that you will burn in hell for accepting a common warlord as a prophet and for accepting Allah as anything other that the embodiment of Satan.

On the other hand, your crank religion requires that you must tax CDF47 for his foolish unbelief and even kill him. You guys are going to have to work out those details before you can even attempt to defend each others beliefs.

In this thread we are trying to deal with irrational unbelievers despite overwhelming proof and evidence.  That is where the focus should remain.

[The Grand Nudger]

God;s not sending his best people for this job.  I can;t think of two less credible people, lol.