DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[The Grand Nudger]

I've probably envisioned gods as characters in other peoples fairy tales since about that time - give or take a few years....obviously the memory is spotty down into the single digits, lol. Interestingly enough, though I can't remember having ever believed in santa or the easter bunny..I'm sure that I did (my family loves to tell stories about that one, lol). Mull that over...to me, santa and a candy granting bunny were more credible than gods, lol.

At least I had the presents and the chocolate to show for it.

[Everena]

They have proven that atoms and electons can exist in 2 places at once. I am not claiming my actual flesh exists in another universe. You understand that right?

Yes. Your claim is that a parallel universe exists,
Everena: NO NO NO I do not believe in a parallel universe at all. I believe there is another universe where our true selves/souls exist, and that we are existing here and there simultaneously. And that is just my belief about how our '"soul" would be inhabiting this body.
that you inhabit both this universe and the parallel universe simultaneously, that it is your soul that inhabits the other universe, that there even is such a thing as a soul, that karma and reincarnation are real, that some deity exists, that said deity is nothing more than a celestial cost accountant replete with shiny arsed trousers, that said deity is beyond understanding, that regardless you understand said deity to be an amorphous blob of "energy", that said deity has no definition but you somehow know what it is exactly, and on and on.

Have you no clue how nutty this appears?
Everena: It is not nutty. 93% of the world has religious beliefs and the vast majority of them (Christians, Muslims, Hindus. Judaists, Jainists, Scientologists, and most Buddhists and New agers) believe in a soul that exists separate from the body. Atheism and thinking everything just magically appeared out of nothing without initelligence and for no reason is what is nutty!
Of course you don't.

[The Grand Nudger]

You're literally telling us that the reason you reject atheism..is nothing to do with atheism.

[Bucky Ball]

NO NO NO I do not believe in a parallel universe at all. I believe there is another universe where our true selves/souls exist, and that we are existing here and there simultaneously. And that is just my belief about how our '"soul" would be inhabiting this body.

Everena: It is not nutty. 93% of the world has religious beliefs and the vast majority of them (Christians, Muslims, Hindus. Judaists, Jainists, Scientologists, and most Buddhists and New agers) believe in a soul that exists separate from the body. Atheism and thinking everything just magically appeared out of nothing without initelligence and for no reason is what is nutty!

You forgot the part about the zombies and dragons and unicorns in the other universe.

Actually you have no clue what you are talking about. Roger Penrose, (Hawking's friend), (Sir Roger Penrose OM FRS is an English mathematical physicist, mathematician and philosopher of science, is Emeritus Rouse Ball Professor of Mathematics in the University of Oxford and Emeritus Fellow of Wadham College, Oxford) thinks that nothing "came into existence" ... and that the universe has always existed, (see "Cycles of Time). You have nothing to refute that idea, so your fallacy of the false dichotomy nonsense demonstrates what a dolt you are.

You also really ought to check out physicist Sean Carroll's work, and he will explain to you why your "just magically appeared out of nothing" is a meaningless string of words, and invalid, under the conditions you assume. Yes. it is nutty, and you clearly are nuts.

[Everena]

Everena:   It's pronouced Eh-vuh or Eh-vuh-renn-uh. And I am not denying evolution, just saying that there is very little evidence to support one species "turning into" an entirely different species. Almost no evidence, lots of conjecture and speculation. Lots and lots of evidence of adaption however, which is part of the theory of evol

Incorrect, as usual.  We have observed speciation in the lab and in the field, many times. 
Everena: I am not talking about the speciation evidence, which is not evidence of one species turning into an entirely different species. It is mountains of evidence of adaption within a species, like I just said.
We've even seen cladogenesis in brassicas.
Everena: You've seen it where exactly? Plants? Do you think you are a plant now too?

 The theory of evolution is the explanation for that observed phenomena...not a guess that it happens.

Even more hilariously, you don't know yourself.  You are, indeed, denying evolution.
Everena: No, I am saying there is very little evidence to support the theory that one species turns into an entirely different species

---

I'm not a Christian.

That's exactly what an AI bot would say.
I still don't believe you're a real person.

Good for you. Don't believe it. LOL And I only joined this thread 3 days ago. I missed the first 587 pages of this thread.

[The Grand Nudger]

Everena: I am not talking about the speciation evidence, which is not evidence of one species turning into an entirely different species. It is mountains of evidence of adaption within a species, like I just said.

Observing a speciation event, and even further still..cladogenesis, in the lab..and in the field, is the strongest and most compelling evidence for speciation which could be imagined.  We have seen the thing you contend we have no evidence for happen, in real time..multiple times.  We also see the markers of those events in the genetics of all living things.

This, is a fact of evolution.  The theory of evolution attempts to explain that fact.  

Everena: You've seen it where exactly? Plants? Do you think you are a plant now too?

Yes, Ev, brassicas are plants.  You'll probably find some in your fridge, even.  We bred a bunch of vegetables out of a singular ancestor.

Everena: No, I am saying there is very little evidence to support the theory that one species turns into an entirely different species

Except for the fact that we've seen it happen, multiple times, in the lab and in the field...and that we've seen even greater changes than this occur, in cladogenesis....

..............sure?

[Angrboda]

I don't think CDF is intentionally trolling.  I think he's sincere.  Additionally, I don't think CDF possesses the capacity to create such different personas.

How do you know CDF is not a created persona meant to wear a manufactured sincerity?  Admittedly it takes patience to keep it up for as long as he had.

Patience, but not much effort.

I don't know, one way or the other. Not knowing, I've simply made it a policy to take people as they come, unless it becomes blatantly obvious, and then, I simply ignore the person(s) or engage in counter-trolling for sport.

[The Grand Nudger]

It's hard to decide what to do when the person is only effectively trolling, due to their monumental stupidity, not intentionally trolling. 

We've just been informed that atheism is wrong for reasons not to do with atheism, and that a speciation event isn't evidence of speciation, for example.

[Everena]

Everena: Yes, but the capacity for them to exist had to be there.

Sure, and since it was, and since both of those things..peeners and the will to use them...... did eventually arise by the entirely natural means of descent with modification...there is no need to invoke a meat fairy to explain either.

Everena: Define natural in that context. A clear concise defintion. And intelligence was required for us to have the DNA that communicates in 2 languages and creates eyes that can see, ears that can hear, nose that can smell, arms that can hug, legs that can walk, and yes genitals that can orgasm and reproduce. How can you even pretend to think that all that could come about from nothing with no intelligence? And we have conscious self awareness and intelligence and emotions and no one can effectively explain why or how, unless there is an intelligent agent involved. Face it- God does exist.

Everena: How do you know if anyone was starving back then? You weren't there. And are you seriously claiming food does not grow naturally all over the earth? Have you never picked a berry, eaten an apple, had some nuts, rice, potatoes, Have you heard of the Paleo diet? People are slimming down all over the place from following it. My doctor even follows it. What people are doing is adding chemicals to food to make them more addicting so they rake in the bucks and they are making everyone fat. I know we have enhanced and sweetened some foods (for money again) but there is a ton of food that just tastes good naturally.

The same way you could know, if you wanted to.  We observe that the remains of human beings in pre agricultural societies show signs that would, if we saw them in a living human being today, indicate starvation (along with a whole host of other ailments we have since produced treatments for). 
Everena: Yes people died at a younger age, but when you believe in eternal life,  they just crossed over to a better place. Only atheists think death is bad,

The first agriculturalists were only marginally better off...and had to contend with what we call the hungry gap until suitable cold and hot weather cultivars, season extension methods...and inter-latitudinal trade were developed.

Of the list of things you just mentioned...berries, apples, nuts, rice, and taters...-all have been engineered by us to be as you know them today.  They didn't start out that way.  Berries and apples did not require the big, sweet, juicy fruits that you eat.  In point of fact, those things are liabilities to both in the wild and you'll find that wild berries are more seed than anything else.  Almonds, as an example..were bred out from a cultivar that was lethal to us, as were taters...and rice (like corn, form before) did not produce a useful seed until we sought to make it so.
Everena: None of that matters and there is still plenty of wild food all over the world that tastes good. We are intelligent beings and so what if we made stuff taste better? We had to have the brains and the materials to do it with and those things are also provided by our amazing planet.
Thje real paleo diet was something known as starving until you yourself were eaten.  The paleo diet you are referring to..is marketing (I fucking knew it, part of your religion is based on quack advertising, lol),

Everena: I know what it is. I think a vegetarian diet is much better for you. However, the principles of surviving on natural foods that are less processed is also a positive health decision.

made possible by our having engineered those foodstuffs and created a system of distribution to get them to you.  

Everena: We did not create food or anything else on this planet and why on earth do you think we did??? We just took what was already here and sometimes modified it (for more money)

We modified living organisms simply to survive.
Everena: And we were able to do so with our planet provides, like I said before.

  Agriculture predates money by a few thousand years...but, is actually one of the things we invented money for.  It's not easy to carry a bushel of corn in your pocket.  

(unless you have very, very large pockets)

Everena: False, all of what we eat grows naturally, (including meat,eggs, dairy) and then is sometimes later modified for a number of reasons including shelf life. Back to school with you.

Agriculture is the definition of an unnatural system. 
Everena: Nope. And stop making up stupid shit.
Ever notice that you don't run across tomato forests when you're out there camping?  

Everena: False. We grow enough food each year to feed 10 billion people

Yes, -we- do..we engage in the systematic destruction of natural environments to favor (usually) a single crop, that we have created, and which cannot exist without our constant intervention....so that we might feed the people around us, which would otherwise be impossible...and..again, even while we do this, natural stocks collapse due to consumption and people still starve.  

What does meat fairy do?  What is meat fairy's contribution here?
Everena: I have deist beliefs . This planet is our responsibilty and our challenge. We have the brains, we have the materials and resources. It is pretty obvious that WE are supposed to be fixing our own problems.

Everena: If it's here, it's natural on our planet. We aren't making food out of stuff from other planets

That you have an idiosyncratic definition of what is or isn't natural,
Everena: Everything that is food and everything that we use to make food is natural to our planet. We tamper with food in many ways, and more we tamper with it, the less nutritious it becomes.
the only purpose of which is to argue with me... doesn't demonstrate a thing or argue against any fact that I have seen fit to gift you with so that you don't sound like such an idiot going forward.

Everena: Bullshit

You'll have to be a tad bit more specific, lol?

Everena: There are 7.8 million different species of life all accessing a food supply. 11.7 million when you include plant life that also requires food. Grip reality soon.

Yes, and the food supply which they are accessing..is each other. 

Everena: And the point still stands and no one is eating us. Why do these plants and animals provide us with food that not only tastes good, but also provides us with nutrients to stay alive? You cannot just write that off to luck or chance.

Everena: Social problems are ours to fix and we are perfectly capable of fixing them. Anything that is wrong here is our fault, not Gods

All problems of natural evil can only be your meat fairy's grand design
Everena: What the fuck is natural evil? There is no natural evil. People are evil sometimes and when they are intentionally evil, they suffer that pain back until they learn to be better people.
..and if there is no natural evil by which to refine us , then the soul mill has no engine by which to work.  You cannot maintain this objection here and your beliefs..rationally, consistently, and simultaneously.

Either your god intentionally created us as we are, on this rock as it was, or it didn't.  Make up your mind.
Everena: God only created this flesh. God did not create our souls/true selves. Our true selves always have been and always will be and we are here because we need improvement.

 Everena: FALSE. We eat what is available to eat on this planet.

LOL.  OFC it is nutbar.  And....?

Everena: False. I can go pick willd growing food right now. Grip reality soon.

OFC you can, but that doesn;t change the fact that your fridge is chock full of shit that isn't "wild grown"...and theres a better than fair chance that whatever you're thinking of as "wild grown" food..is actually a product of our intervention.  
Everena: Bullshit. There are blackberry bushes and huckleberry bushes and apple trees growing wild all over the place where I live and no human ever intervened.

Everena: False. I am just not brainwashed by atheist propaganda and bullshit. 

If you could present some examples of atheist propaganda and bullshit that would be helpful.  I'm not convinced that you even know what atheism is.  
Everena: The God Delusion is atheist propaganda. A Universe from Nothing is atheist propaganda. You get the idea

Everena: Wow, I cannot believe I missed this beauty. There is nothing surviving and fucking that does not possess intelligence genius (except maybe you)

That would be a discovery worthy of a nobel prize.  Go, collect it.  

"Nothing" doesn't care.....................................? Everena:  EXACTLY Checkmate atheist, checkmate......

Checkmate, what, pigeon?

---

-ya really need to learn to use the quote function..this shit is atrocious.

[LadyForCamus]

Incorrect, as usual.  We have observed speciation in the lab and in the field, many times. 
Everena: I am not talking about the speciation evidence, which is not evidence of one species turning into an entirely different species. It is mountains of evidence of adaption within a species, like I just said.
We've even seen cladogenesis in brassicas.
Everena: You've seen it where exactly? Plants? Do you think you are a plant now too?

 The theory of evolution is the explanation for that observed phenomena...not a guess that it happens.

Even more hilariously, you don't know yourself.  You are, indeed, denying evolution.
Everena: No, I am saying there is very little evidence to support the theory that one species turns into an entirely different species

---

That's exactly what an AI bot would say.
I still don't believe you're a real person.

Good for you. Don't believe it. LOL  And I only joined this thread 3 days ago. I missed the first 587 pages of this thread.

Sure you did, CDFErena. 😉