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DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
Quote:Not lying about 3rd.  They believe in a higher power (believer I wrote) as contrasted with unbeliever.
Even if true it's irrelevant

(May 6, 2018 at 9:07 am)CDF47 Wrote: There are over 30 constants of the universe which are fine-tuned, such that if these mathematical figures were off by the most smallest fraction of a percent, life as we know it would not exist. The most finely tuned figure is the cosmological constant (energy density of the vacuum of space) which is fine tuned to an order of magnitude of 1:10^120. If that figure was off by that small a value, there would be no life. To give you an idea of the size of that number, there are approximately 10^80 elementary particles in the known universe and there have been 10^16 seconds since the creation of the universe in the Big Bang approximately 13.8 billion years ago. By the way, back to DNA, the probability of building a short functional protein from amino acids is 1:10^164. Just amazing!
Again simply repeating the same debunked point isn't going to help you . And again argument from ignorance and incredulity.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 6, 2018 at 9:07 am)Tizheruk Wrote:
Quote:Not lying about 3rd.  They believe in a higher power (believer I wrote) as contrasted with unbeliever.
Even if true it's irrelevant

It was in response to someone's claim, so it was relevant to the discussion.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 6, 2018 at 8:41 am)CDF47 Wrote: 1. Where do the information bearing properties of DNA come from?  
2. Please describe the origins of genetic information.  
3. DNA is located in a protein molecule. It takes DNA to build a protein. Which came first, the DNA or the protein?  
4. Please provide a step-by-step natural explanation of the process of how DNA is copied and transferred to an assembly line where amino acids are linked together precisely as instructed, then formed into a functional protein, then transported to an exact location in a protein machine prior to machine operation. Explain how all the transport systems work. Explain the sequences of operation, the communication protocol, the operations of the machines, the assembly instructions, energy harvesting,....  Please explain how this all happened naturally.

1. There is no information.
2. Abiogenesis.
3. DNA and then self-formed.
4. There is no instruction. There is no machine operation. There is no transport system. There is no sequences of operation. There is no protocol. There are no machines, assembly instructions or energy harvesting. It all happened because of entropy.

1. Explain to me how an omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent god is able to make a decision when it knows what is gonna decide beforehand because it knows everything, including its own decisions.
2. Explain to me how an omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent god allows evil to exist when it is capable by the snap of it's proverbial fingers to make all types of evil disappear.
3. Explain to me how an omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent god that supposedly created the universe but made so many mistakes in its creation, for example as the urinary tract going through the prostate in males, which is similar to having hot steam pipes going through a refrigerator.
4. Explain to me the formation of the Bible from its first recorded Genesis story all the way to Revelation, while not excluding any of the +1,000 year Bible formation plus the apocrypha assembly from 250 B.C.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
Quote:It was in response to someone's claim, so it was relevant to the discussion.
The statistic  is irrelevant
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 6, 2018 at 8:13 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 6, 2018 at 8:08 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: And another thing. Jebus on the cross? Since Jebus is actually god, he knew full well that he was sacrificing nothing in the first place. He knew for a fact that he would not die or be anywhere next or near it. He knew beforehand that he would rise along with the Jewish zombie apocalypse that nobody noticed.  

The whole tale is flat out fantasy. One must assume that you think Pinocchio is a documentary.

Yes, the Creator overcame death for His creation.

So your supposed "creator" is limited, right?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 6, 2018 at 9:09 am)Sal Wrote:
(May 6, 2018 at 8:41 am)CDF47 Wrote: 1. Where do the information bearing properties of DNA come from?  
2. Please describe the origins of genetic information.  
3. DNA is located in a protein molecule. It takes DNA to build a protein. Which came first, the DNA or the protein?  
4. Please provide a step-by-step natural explanation of the process of how DNA is copied and transferred to an assembly line where amino acids are linked together precisely as instructed, then formed into a functional protein, then transported to an exact location in a protein machine prior to machine operation. Explain how all the transport systems work. Explain the sequences of operation, the communication protocol, the operations of the machines, the assembly instructions, energy harvesting,....  Please explain how this all happened naturally.

1. There is no information.
2. Abiogenesis.
3. DNA and then self-formed.
4. There is no instruction. There is no machine operation. There is no transport system. There is no sequences of operation. There is no protocol. There are no machines, assembly instructions or energy harvesting. It all happened because of entropy.

1. Explain to me how an omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent god is able to make a decision when it knows what is gonna decide beforehand because it knows everything, including its own decisions.
2. Explain to me how an omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent god allows evil to exist when it is capable by the snap of it's proverbial fingers to make all types of evil disappear.
3. Explain to me how an omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent god that supposedly created the universe but made so many mistakes in its creation, for example as the urinary tract going through the prostate in males, which is similar to having hot steam pipes going through a refrigerator.
4. Explain to me the formation of the Bible from its first recorded Genesis story all the way to Revelation, while not excluding any of the +1,000 year Bible formation plus the apocrypha assembly from 250 B.C.

1 - 4: The scientific community disagrees.
1 - 4: It is His will

(May 6, 2018 at 9:11 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote:
(May 6, 2018 at 8:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: Yes, the Creator overcame death for His creation.

So your supposed "creator" is limited, right?

As a man He was.  As God He is not.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 6, 2018 at 9:13 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 6, 2018 at 9:09 am)Sal Wrote: 1. There is no information.
2. Abiogenesis.
3. DNA and then self-formed.
4. There is no instruction. There is no machine operation. There is no transport system. There is no sequences of operation. There is no protocol. There are no machines, assembly instructions or energy harvesting. It all happened because of entropy.

1. Explain to me how an omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent god is able to make a decision when it knows what is gonna decide beforehand because it knows everything, including its own decisions.
2. Explain to me how an omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent god allows evil to exist when it is capable by the snap of it's proverbial fingers to make all types of evil disappear.
3. Explain to me how an omnipotent, omnipresent and omnibenevolent god that supposedly created the universe but made so many mistakes in its creation, for example as the urinary tract going through the prostate in males, which is similar to having hot steam pipes going through a refrigerator.
4. Explain to me the formation of the Bible from its first recorded Genesis story all the way to Revelation, while not excluding any of the +1,000 year Bible formation plus the apocrypha assembly from 250 B.C.

1 - 4: The scientific community disagrees.
1 - 4: It is His will

I find those answers lacking.
"The first principle is that you must not fool yourself — and you are the easiest person to fool." - Richard P. Feynman
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 6, 2018 at 9:15 am)Sal Wrote:
(May 6, 2018 at 9:13 am)CDF47 Wrote: 1 - 4: The scientific community disagrees.
1 - 4: It is His will

I find those answers lacking.

The feelings are mutual then.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
Quote:1 - 4: The scientific community disagrees.
No it doesn't .


Quote:1 - 4: It is His will
In your imagination

Quote:The feelings are mutual then.
Nope it's totally one sided . Guess who's side it is.

Spoilers it's not ours .

Quote:As a man He was.  As God He is not.
Yaay more empty babble .
Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
(May 6, 2018 at 8:52 am)CDF47 Wrote:
(May 6, 2018 at 8:47 am)Wololo Wrote: 1st poll is misleading because itis not current.  2nd poll is misleading because it doesn't provide a definition for scientist.  3rd you are lying about the data. Only 33% percent of self described scientists believe in a god or gods.

Not lying about 3rd.  They believe in a higher power (believer I wrote) as contrasted with unbeliever.

Higher power =/= god. Pantheists believe in a higher power without believing in a god. So do a lot of buddhists and confuscians.

Therefore you equating them with god botherers is what we in the law enforcement business call a lie.
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