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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 15, 2018 at 3:42 pm
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(June 15, 2018 at 1:49 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Darwin himself thought if the cell was anymore complex than a glob of protoplasm then his theory falls apart.
Darwin never said that. One genuine quote that backs up your claim would prove me wrong. If you bother to look and find that Darwin never said that, what does that say about whoever told you that he did?
(June 15, 2018 at 2:34 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Darwin's theory is based on a very simple form of life, not one with DNA code. He did not deal to well with origin.
His book was 'The Origin of Species', not 'The Origin of Life'. Complaining that he didn't deal well with something that he didn't even address and that is not what his theory is supposed to explain is like complaining that a book on mechanics doesn't address how to fix your TV.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 15, 2018 at 4:05 pm
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Darwin did write about origins. His seminal book is titled On the Origin of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life.
He wrote extensively about the origin of species. He did not discuss, other than in a few speculative passings/musings, the origin of life.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 15, 2018 at 4:36 pm
(June 15, 2018 at 2:41 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Not to explain origins.
Are you really that dense?
Abiogenesis deals with the origin of life. It says exactly bugger all about evolution.
Evolution addresses what happens when life is already present. It says exactly bugger all about origins. It doesn't care about the origin of life, only what happens AFTER life started by whatever means.
Trying to mix the two together is a fool's errand. You might as well attempt to explain german grammar by means of plumbing.
What lunatic is spoon feeding you this garbage? And why are you lapping it up?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 15, 2018 at 4:37 pm
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(June 15, 2018 at 3:42 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: (June 15, 2018 at 2:44 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Darwins theory of evolution did not mention origins nor was it trying to.
You are thinking of abiogenesis.
Have you been looking at the wrong science to have a go at?
You have haven't you!
That's hilarious.
We all know creationists try to muddy the water by equating evolution to abiogenesis and any other scientific concept they "think" they can associate together.
Actually, it seems to me evolution by natural selection can explain abiogenesis. Indeed any version of abiogenesis would be rather implausible without postulating the process was strongly affected by natural selection of heritable traits along the way.
Certainly evolution can be true without abiogenesis being true. But abiogenesis can hardly be true without evolution also being true.
Certainly abiogenesis would be the symbolic stake in the heart of the wax effigy that is creationist Christianity. Perhaps creationist’s attack against evolution is but an effort to keep the scene of the fighting between proven methods of fact finding and hucksterish faith of truth through threats, enticements and assertions away from what is am organ considered vital to the make belief life of jesusism.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 15, 2018 at 4:42 pm
(June 15, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: (June 15, 2018 at 3:42 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: We all know creationists try to muddy the water by equating evolution to abiogenesis and any other scientific concept they "think" they can associate together.
Actually, it seems to me evolution by natural selection can explain abiogenesis. Indeed any version of abiogenesis would be rather implausible without postulating the process was strongly affected by natural selection of heritable traits along the way.
Certainly evolution can be true without abiogenesis being true. But abiogenesis can hardly be true without evolution also being true.
Sure, we could quibble about where the two overlap. Might be a stimulating discussion even. But I can guarantee you one thing. It will not be happening in this thread. Our protagonist has everything so comprehensively borked that such a discussion is impossible.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 15, 2018 at 4:44 pm
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Quote:Darwin himself thought if the cell was anymore complex than a glob of protoplasm then his theory falls apart.
1. That's not true
2. Even if it were your conclusion does not follow from your premise .
Quote:Darwin's theory is based on a very simple form of life, not one with DNA code.
Utter bollocks
Quote: He did not deal to well with origin.
Darwin never claimed he knew were life came from . His theory only deals with the diversification of life not it's origins .That's a whole other scientific theory and a far younger one.
Yuu guys do realize he's just parroting shit he's been told his bullshit on Darwin and the cell is essentially straight from that pseudoscience hack Behe's fucking special needs biology book darwin's black box .
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 15, 2018 at 5:05 pm
With any luck, by the times he;s exhausted all of his favorite dog eared pages..he;ll realize what utter foolishness this has been. I doubt he'll stop believing in pixies on account of that..but he;ll be a smarter, better adjusted pixie believer at the very least.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 15, 2018 at 5:10 pm
(June 15, 2018 at 5:05 pm)Khemikal Wrote: With any luck, by the times he;s exhausted all of his favorite dog eared pages..he;ll realize what utter foolishness this has been. I doubt he'll stop believing in pixies on account of that..but he;ll be a smarter, better adjusted pixie believer at the very least.
That kind of personal evolution is too macro for him.
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 15, 2018 at 5:18 pm
(June 15, 2018 at 2:30 pm)CDF47 Wrote: Sorry to hear. I could tell you the good news of the gospel is that the Son of God Himself clothed Himself in humanity, came to the earth as a servant leader, and died a brutal death on a cross to atone for the sin of man. All man needs to do is truly believe in Jesus (the Son of God who lives forever) to be saved from what will either be eternal hell fire or annihilation of body and soul. Those saved will enter paradise upon death. This is the good news of the gospel. Some problems there. You already claimed god is man shaped and has an actual human body. Jebus couldn't be otherwise given that god raped Mary. WTF is a "servant leader"? Lots of people die brutal deaths, but jebus, according to you, knew for a fact that he wasn't dying at all being immortal and all. Vicarious atonement is a morally repulsive notion. According to you, I can sin my butt off all my life and if I have a death bed conversion, then I am all good. Your god has no concept of justice.
So far we have discovered that you think that god is an actual beardy bloke, who lives someplace. He knows all of your sins. He knows if you are obedient. He rewards you if you are obedient and punishes you if you are not. This must all be true because millions worldwide believe in him.
So here is the question. Are you describing god? Or Santa?
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RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
June 15, 2018 at 5:21 pm
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(June 15, 2018 at 5:10 pm)Anomalocaris Wrote: That kind of personal evolution is too macro for him. We;ll get him there with many micro steps. 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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