DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[The Grand Nudger]

Oh and I suppose you are saying that you are so much more intelligent than I am, right?

You've left the answer to that question in absolutely no doubt.  Good job, you put in the work.

But, if you really were, you would just apply simple logic and realize how obvious it is that God exists. And be specific with your insults. What do you I not understand exactly?

Perhaps you could express some simple logic, sometime, rather than bitching moaning and lying about what science does and doesn't know as if there were any means of inference from there to some meat fairy?

[Angrboda]

Its based on faith but not blind faith.  After realizing the universe and living systems are designed, it is time to jump to theology for answers.

There is no such thing as faith that is not blind.   If it was not blind it wouldn’t need faith.

Your Realization is wrong.

It only seems to you to be time to jump into theology because you are infantile, misguided and lacking in fundamental facility for critical thinking.

Theology never offers any real answers.  Nor can it ever.   It contains no mechanism whatsoever for searching for material truth outside human psychology.   It is all about calculating what lies and crass fiction dovetails best with common human cognitive deficits and thus can must likely be used as unifying element for forming cults.

Here, too, I would have to disagree that faith, blind or not, is an example of infantilism or lack of critical thought. Underdetermination of theory as well as Quine's radical translation thesis make it clear that even science isn't above adding a little something extra on the top that isn't explicitly required. The Duhem-Quine thesis also makes clear that a certain kind of holism that is essentially blind is required to draw any scientific conclusion. From a priori truths to the metaphysics of quantum mechanics interpretations, leaping to unjustified conclusion is not something confined to the lame or underaged, it is part and parcel of what we do. I think the crux of the matter lies elsewhere than simply focusing on whether the faith is blind or not.

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Says one who “knows” with absolute certainty.


Has it ever occur to you that your combination of towering conceit, abysmal ignorance, obliviousness to irony and propensity for mining quotes and articles you don’t understand makes you a quite a desirable central attraction for a morbid psychiatric cabinet or curiosities?

Oh and I suppose you are saying that you are so much more intelligent than I am, right? But, if you really were, you would just apply simple logic and realize how obvious it is that God exists. And be specific with your insults. What do you I not understand exactly?

The thesis that someone is inferior to you because they differ with you on one or more subjects is fatally flawed, and only a moron would think otherwise.

[Everena]

It's glaringly obvious you understand fuck-all about evolution every time you post about it.

Everena: Why? Because I am not completely brainwashed by it like you apparently are? Healthy skepticism is a good thing.

No, because you demonstrate a fundamental lack of understanding of the subject with every single post.

Healthy skepticism is a good thing when it leads people to learn. What you have is not healthy skepticism where it concerns gawds or evolution. You accept made up bullshit woo in the absence of actual evidence yet deny science despite the tons of evidence. I don't know whether to pity you or just point a laugh.

Yeah. Wrong again. I accept what has been proven to me beyond all doubt by applying logic combined with numerous personal experiences that are the best evidence there is. And I'm not even an evol denier. I am just not totally convinced. And who cares if I am? I am certain the future holds more discoveries that will settle this debate permanently. Until then, why fight about it?

[Angrboda]

My experiences: I was pulled out of my body at age 4 during abuse and could see my body being beaten and could feel no pain while I was out of my body. The abuser even freaked out and said "Where did you go?" Then I had the incredible experience with another person where a huge presense of good energy was in the room with us. Like I said, he mentioned it first, which gave me even more confirmation. I have had the making love experience. I have had an unseen force grab my steering wheel and prevent an accident when I fell asleep driving. And I could go on and on with this. I haven't even mentioned any of the signs and I have had like 40 of them that there is no logical explanation for. Anyway, I am beyond convinced and someday you will be too.

OBEs and NDEs are eminently impeachable for reasons that I'd be happy to explain if you so require. So far I am not seeing any of these allegedly inexplicable and improbable events. I asked for specifics of such from you, and you have not provided any.

[Bucky Ball]

Everena

Yes and my argument is that higher intelligence is the cause and yours is that it is just happening by atheist magic. We both get that we on are different sides of the argument too. And I am not your sweetie ditto. 

Actually you have no "argument". All you have is an assertion with no evidence. 
Your assertion is worthless.
(Also, thanks for yet again demonstrating you absolutely understand nothing about QM, which we already knew from your idiotic misrepresentation of the article you referenced).

[The Grand Nudger]

Yeah. Wrong again. I accept what has been proven to me beyond all doubt by applying logic combined with numerous personal experiences that are the best evidence there is.

You don't.

And I'm not even an evol denier.

You are.

I am just not totally convinced. And who cares if I am? I am certain the future holds more discoveries that will settle this debate permanently. Until then, why fight about it?

A question that only you could answer....you threw yourself into the ring, after all..huh?

[Anomalocaris]

 

Says one who “knows” with absolute certainty.


Has it ever occur to you that your combination of towering conceit, abysmal ignorance, obliviousness to irony and propensity for mining quotes and articles you don’t understand makes you a quite a desirable central attraction for a morbid psychiatric cabinet or curiosities?

Oh and I suppose you are saying that you are so much more intelligent than I am, right? But, if you really were, you would just apply simple logic and realize how obvious it is that God exists. And be specific with your insults. What do you I not understand exactly?

I really am. And precisely because I am so much smarter than you are and so much better than you at hitting the truth (not in anyway is that even an remotely exceptional attainment by the way), it is rather conceited and overreaching for the likes of you to attempt to call my shots.  Wouldn’t you say?

[Everena]

And for the 4 millionth time I said evidence of one species turning into an entirely different species.

And here it is again:

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

Ok, well it convinces you. So that's all that matters.

[Anomalocaris]

There is no such thing as faith that is not blind.   If it was not blind it wouldn’t need faith.

Your Realization is wrong.

It only seems to you to be time to jump into theology because you are infantile, misguided and lacking in fundamental facility for critical thinking.

Theology never offers any real answers.  Nor can it ever.   It contains no mechanism whatsoever for searching for material truth outside human psychology.   It is all about calculating what lies and crass fiction dovetails best with common human cognitive deficits and thus can must likely be used as unifying element for forming cults.

Here, too, I would have to disagree that faith, blind or not, is an example of infantilism or lack of critical thought.  Underdetermination of theory as well as Quine's radical translation thesis make it clear that even science isn't above adding a little something extra on the top that isn't explicitly required.  The Duhem-Quine thesis also makes clear that a certain kind of holism that is essentially blind is required to draw any scientific conclusion.  From a priori truths to the metaphysics of quantum mechanics interpretations, leaping to unjustified conclusion is not something confined to the lame or underaged, it is part and parcel of what we do.  I think the crux of the matter lies elsewhere than simply focusing on whether the faith is blind or not.

The difference is where science adds a little extra on the top, or leaps to unjustified conclusion, confirmation or rebutting that little extra on the top and the unjustified conclusion is welcomed and not treated as an offense.

Science uses unjustified results as a sort of mirror to reflect light towards where a justifiable results might be found. In so far as the word faith is used for this, it means application of judgement in selecting which of the unjustified results are most likely to contribute towards the discovery an justified one.

But for the type of faith CDF claims to not be blind, Creating and then clinging to unjustified conclusion is the goal.  

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Oh and I suppose you are saying that you are so much more intelligent than I am, right? But, if you really were, you would just apply simple logic and realize how obvious it is that God exists. And be specific with your insults. What do you I not understand exactly?

The thesis that someone is inferior to you because they differ with you on one or more subjects is fatally flawed, and only a moron would think otherwise.

Indeed. Only an inferior being could disagree with that.

[Everena]

Oh and I suppose you are saying that you are so much more intelligent than I am, right?

You've left the answer to that question in absolutely no doubt.  Good job, you put in the work.

But, if you really were, you would just apply simple logic and realize how obvious it is that God exists. And be specific with your insults. What do you I not understand exactly?

Perhaps you could express some simple logic, sometime, rather than bitching moaning and lying about what science does and doesn't know as if there were any means of inference from there to some meat fairy?

Science is not God to me. God is God to me. Science is an everchanging field. 
Thousands of scientific theories have been proven wrong throughout history. 
One example from the 80s and 90s- Lowfat dieting was based on a huge scientific study followed up by numerous other studies done by scientists all over the world. Doctors prescribed it to patients for decades and guess what? They were wrong. But scientists swore it was fact at that time. Now we know cholesterol isn't all bad and fat is not even bad for us (in fact we need it for numerous health reasons.) It used to be lower your cholestoral or you'll die of a heart attack, and now we know good cholestoral can actually improve your health. Nothing that was being promoted as healthy back then is even good for us. And that is science for you.