DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[Everena]

At work.

I do not believe in a God that interacts with our reality, as I just said.

So...... if your Overmind doesn't interact with our reality.....

What use/good/ 'Anything' is said Overmind?

It also kind of nixes your comments of 'Inteligence' being behind biology since your Overmind is, what?, 14 odd billion years ago in the past?

It also kind of implicates that, by your model/way of thinking, we're all just preprogrammed items going through preset motions.

God is the creator of the universe, and our all-knowing guide and teacher on the other side. What good are we if we don't work to solve our own problems? Here is one of my favorite all time poems:

We cannot merely pray to You O God, to end war; for we know You have made the world in a way that man must find his own path to peace within himself and with his neighbor. We cannot merely pray to You O God to end starvation; for You have already given us the resources with which to feed the entire world if we would only use them wisely. We cannot merely pray to You, O God, to root out prejudice, for You have already given us eyes with which to see the good in all men if we would only use them rightly. We cannot merely pray to You O God to end despair for you have already given us the power to clear away slums and to give hope if we would only use our power justly. We cannot merely pray to You O God to end disease for you have already given us great minds with which to search out cures and healing, if we would only use them constructively. Therefore we pray to You instead O God for strength, determination, and willpower, to do instead of just to pray, to become instead of merely to wish. Jack Riemer, Likrat Shabbat

[Angrboda]

You've already said that you believe space-time has always existed.  Were you lying about that?

We always have been and always will be. It has nothing to do with the theory of space-time.

It doesn't have to do with any theory, but it does have to do with whether space-time existed or not. Have we and God always existed or not?

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At work.


So...... if your Overmind doesn't interact with our reality.....

What use/good/ 'Anything' is said Overmind?

It also kind of nixes your comments of 'Inteligence' being behind biology since your Overmind is, what?, 14 odd billion years ago in the past?

It also kind of implicates that, by your model/way of thinking, we're all just preprogrammed items going through preset motions.

God is the creator of the universe, and our all-knowing guide and teacher on the other side. What good are we if we don't work to solve our own problems? Here is one of my favorite all time poems:

We cannot merely pray to You O God, to end war; for we know You have made the world in a way that man must find his own path to peace within himself and with his neighbor. We cannot merely pray to You O God to end starvation; for You have already given us the resources with which to feed the entire world if we would only use them wisely. We cannot merely pray to You, O God, to root out prejudice, for You have already given us eyes with which to see the good in all men if we would only use them rightly. We cannot merely pray to You O God to end despair for you have already given us the power to clear away slums and to give hope if we would only use our power justly. We cannot merely pray to You O God to end disease for you have already given us great minds with which to search out cures and healing, if we would only use them constructively. Therefore we pray to You instead O God for strength, determination, and willpower, to do instead of just to pray, to become instead of merely to wish. Jack Riemer, Likrat Shabbat

Yeah, now if only our gracious and mysterious ball of energy would get up off its ass and do something, like it is hypocritically expecting us to do.

[Everena]

You have blown passed nothing. You avoid them because you can't answer the whys, and because they prove you wrong. Science doesn't attempt to answer why because it's not their job to answer the whys of our existence, and they leave that to philosophy. Science only attempts to understand how an already existing and operating universe works in order to improve our lives in numerous ways.

You've already stated this nonsense, and it's been debunked.
Science definitely wants to understand HOW the present state of affairs evolved from a prior state of affairs.
Science tries to understand prior conditions, that led to present conditions.
Your 'already existing' is total BS, and is blatantly obvious to anyone who has actually studied science.
Ever hear of Paleontology ? LMFAO How does Paleontology try to improve our lives, today ? Take your time.
Please stop embarrassing yourself, Woo Princess.

It's fact. Facts cannot be debunked. And everything you are stating is exactly what I said.

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No, just physics.

Physics that came about how? Magically with no intelligence?

How did this "intelligence" do what you are claiming?

Where is your evidence to support your answer?

With the Big Bang, something like this....  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_Om5TNJVmE

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I am a deist in that respect. This planet with all it's social problems is up to us to fix.

“Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
― Epicurus

No, God cannot prevent our evil ways because God gave us free will to do anything we please. We can either choose to be good or choose to be evil.

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We always have been and always will be. It has nothing to do with the theory of space-time.

It doesn't have to do with any theory, but it does have to do with whether space-time existed or not.  Have we and God always existed or not?

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God is the creator of the universe, and our all-knowing guide and teacher on the other side. What good are we if we don't work to solve our own problems? Here is one of my favorite all time poems:

We cannot merely pray to You O God, to end war; for we know You have made the world in a way that man must find his own path to peace within himself and with his neighbor. We cannot merely pray to You O God to end starvation; for You have already given us the resources with which to feed the entire world if we would only use them wisely. We cannot merely pray to You, O God, to root out prejudice, for You have already given us eyes with which to see the good in all men if we would only use them rightly. We cannot merely pray to You O God to end despair for you have already given us the power to clear away slums and to give hope if we would only use our power justly. We cannot merely pray to You O God to end disease for you have already given us great minds with which to search out cures and healing, if we would only use them constructively. Therefore we pray to You instead O God for strength, determination, and willpower, to do instead of just to pray, to become instead of merely to wish. Jack Riemer, Likrat Shabbat

Yeah, now if only our gracious and mysterious ball of energy would get up off its ass and do something, like it is hypocritically expecting us to do.

This is OUR CHALLENGE, it is not God's challenge. You atheists just want God to do everything and that is not the point of us being here.

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We always have been and always will be. It has nothing to do with the theory of space-time.

It doesn't have to do with any theory, but it does have to do with whether space-time existed or not.  Have we and God always existed or not?

Yes, but in another universe. https://www.space.com/18811-multiple-uni...ories.html

[Angrboda]

It doesn't have to do with any theory, but it does have to do with whether space-time existed or not.  Have we and God always existed or not?

Yes, but in another universe.

For some definitions of universe I can accept this. Unfortunately not for the only definition of universe which matters here. Another 'universe' outside our light-cone is still within space-time. Unless you are saying this other place was outside of *any* space-time, then you still have a conflict.

[downbeatplumb]

Everena

You just posted a video of the big bang when I asked for how god started everything.

But that was the everything starting, not the how it started.


Let me break this down, the big bang happened.


You think god started it by...……..?


I was asking you to fill in the blanks. Science has few ideas of how it could have started by the way. Some have a certain amount of evidence, not good evidence yet but some.


What do you have?

[Bucky Ball]

You've already stated this nonsense, and it's been debunked.
Science definitely wants to understand HOW the present state of affairs evolved from a prior state of affairs.
Science tries to understand prior conditions, that led to present conditions.
Your 'already existing' is total BS, and is blatantly obvious to anyone who has actually studied science.
Ever hear of Paleontology ? LMFAO How does Paleontology try to improve our lives, today ? Take your time.
Please stop embarrassing yourself, Woo Princess.

It's fact. Facts cannot be debunked. And everything you are stating is exactly what I said.

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That's nice dear. See ... you didn't answer the question sweetie ...
Paleontology REFUTES your false claim as "fact" ... we know, just like Kellyann, (you think alike)  and think you have "alternative facts" ...
but since you were unable to even address the question, we'll continue to dismiss the Woo Princess as a nut-case.
Sucks to be *that* delusional.

[Anomalocaris]

The difference between everena and christards is christards aren’t quite so stupid as to assert based purely and unadulterated “I said so”.   They are actually aware their standing requires some fictional external authority to buttress.

Everena is so stupid she actually thinks her bare assertions could ever mean anything, and repeating them somehow could make them mean more.

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CaveTroll:
We always have been and always will be. It has nothing to do with the theory of space-time.

The Meth is strong with this one.

It’s not meth.   For meth to be responsible there must to be living brain cells in her on which meth can act.

[Everena]

Yes, but in another universe.

For some definitions of universe I can accept this.  Unfortunately not for the only definition of universe which matters here.  Another 'universe' outside our light-cone is still within space-time.  Unless you are saying this other place was outside of *any* space-time, then you still have a conflict.

What point are you trying to make?

https://www.space.com/18811-multiple-uni...ories.html
From the article:
Though the concept may stretch credulity, there's good physics behind it. And there's not just one way to get to a multiverse — numerous physics theories independently point to such a conclusion. In fact, some experts think the existence of hidden universes is more likely than not.

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Everena

You just posted a video of the big bang when I asked for how god started everything.

But that was the everything starting, not the how it started.


Let me break this down,  the big bang happened.


You think god started it by...……..?


I was asking you to fill in the blanks. Science has few ideas of how it could have started by the way. Some have a certain amount of evidence, not good evidence yet but some.


What do you have?

The fact that conscious higher intelligence had to be involved or it doesn't happen. Science is only attempting to understand how God did it.

[Angrboda]

For some definitions of universe I can accept this.  Unfortunately not for the only definition of universe which matters here.  Another 'universe' outside our light-cone is still within space-time.  Unless you are saying this other place was outside of *any* space-time, then you still have a conflict.

What point are you trying to make?

https://www.space.com/18811-multiple-uni...ories.html

That the existence of our universe does not need magic to explain it in the absence of God, just the ordinary laws of physics.

[Everena]

It's fact. Facts cannot be debunked. And everything you are stating is exactly what I said.

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That's nice dear. See ... you didn't answer the question sweetie ...
Paleontology REFUTES your false claim as "fact" ... we know, just like Kellyann, (you think alike)  and think you have "alternative facts" ...
but since you were unable to even address the question, we'll continue to dismiss the Woo Princess as a nut-case.
Sucks to be *that* delusional.

The study of old bones refutes nothing and it is just weird that you think it does.

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What point are you trying to make?

https://www.space.com/18811-multiple-uni...ories.html

That the existence of our universe does not need magic to explain it in the absence of God, just the ordinary laws of physics.

Yes it does if you're an atheist. Inanimate objects cannot and did not create a planet teaming with conscious life. There has to be an intelligent and conscious force behind it and absolutely nothing else makes logical sense.