DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[GrandizerII]

 (Over 9000 ! )

Not at work.

Not yet. Now it's over 9000.

[Bucky Ball]

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We just popped out of nowhere in a meaningless, unguided, and un-created universe over a period of 4.54 billion years on an earth somewhere in the universe?  I'm not buying it.  The evidence points elsewhere.

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Science does not claim anywhere that "we just popped out of nowhere". That is a dishonest and ignorant characterization. You are also incompetent to evaluate what the science is, as you have no background in Biochemistry.

You responded "propaganda" .. faced with the myriad of actual experts whose jobs are to know about the science.
It's rather pathetic that you *need* to compartmentalize desperately incoming information, in order to keep your particular interpretation of ancient Near Eastern Literature (the Bible) safe from rational scrutiny.

[Everena]

This was a scientific thread with religious implications.  Then I was asked religious questions which is understandable.

I know who my soulmate/other half is. I never hit on guys even before that tho. Boys are pretty friendly.

And it is what I believe, and that is all. Believe whatever makes you happy. 

That was a quick submission and reveal. Honestly, I had you last a lot longer before revealing the bit but c'est la vie.

Not sure what you think I revealed, but I've talked about have a soulmate/other half  on here before.

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Still doesn't get your "God" off the hook for natural disasters. Take volcanoes for instance. Not made by humans. I'm betting that being boiled alive by a pyroclastic flow is a pretty horrifying way to go. Or drowned by a tsunami. Or crushed my a mudslide. All "God's" fault.

Pro Tip: At this point your best bet is argue that your "Deity" is merely an incompetent bumbler.

Though really, you have to be a pretty alarming sadist to create all these horrors and then curse some innocent primate with sentience so that it might comprehend the full breadth and depth of your hatred.

I think we choose the way we die and we only ever suffer through any fear or pain that we have intentionally caused. I think natural disasters happen for a reason and those souls would rather be in a better place than this anyway. I know for myself, I have lost my fear of death completely with all the experiences and signs I have had, and I am ready to go at any time.

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I said no more strawman arguments. You did not answer the question I asked. Get that yet?

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And that is just more proof that Higher intelligence was involved in the creation of our planet. Animals that die are even food for us in case we need it to stay alive.

I suppose she's going to tell us that the creator strategically placed Bamboo shoots for the Pandas, and Eucalyptus leaves for the Koalas next..
Funny how the specialized diets of certain animals match up exactly with their environment isn't it.. More proof of a creator?

All this knowledge the creator possesses, even down to what a Koala might fancy for lunch, isn't he amazing. Even more amazing though, is the creator who created the creator, just imagine that beings intelligence.. Unless of course there is a One and Only creator.

God always has been and always will be. And something like food being on this planet for all 8.7 million different species of life cannot be written off to chance or luck

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 Dr.Casey Luskin

Yes and everything he brings to light is true, even according to his own critics. Watch the video Bucky posted.

[GUBU]

[Everena]

Everena: A Strawman argument is when you avoid the question that was asked and deflect by answering a different question. That is exactly what you did and you are now doing it again.

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to take your statements seriously, so I'll only respond to this portion of your reply.

Strawman Fallacy - Logically Fallacious
https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tool...an_Fallacy
Substituting a person's actual position or argument with a distorted, exaggerated, or misrepresented version of the position of the argument.

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We just popped out of nowhere in a meaningless, unguided, and un-created universe over a period of 4.54 billion years on an earth somewhere in the universe?  I'm not buying it.  The evidence points elsewhere.

This is a good example of a strawman argument. We aren't claiming that the universe just popped out of nowhere. It's entirely unclear that there ever was a literal 'nowhere' for it to have popped from. As I said, there are wonderful books on this subject that are quite accessible to the layman and should be a cakewalk for an engineer. You do want to know more, don't you?

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The lawyer?

He has a Bachelors Degree and a Masters Degree in Earth Science and he has a Doctorate Degree in Law.

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I'm finding it increasingly difficult to take your statements seriously, so I'll only respond to this portion of your reply.

You mean you have no answer to my question because it's a fail for atheism. Instead you are posting something that I already know. And all any of you have done is a present a strawman argument.

A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent's argument, while actually refuting an argument that was not presented by that opponent. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man."Wikipedia

[Bucky Ball]

I think we choose the way we die and we only ever suffer through any fear or pain that we have intentionally caused. I think natural disasters happen for a reason and those souls would rather be in a better place than this anyway. I know for myself, I have lost my fear of death completely with all the experiences and signs I have had, and I am ready to go at any time.

Wow. Really quite delusional. First of all, here you are talking about dying, after saying it never happens. Doh.
I assure you people suffer a GREAT deal from their traumatic injuries, tumors, surgeries and other excruciatingly painful illnesses, (pancreatitis, kidney stones, brain cancers).
You sound like an oblivious "suburban white lady" on the "Housewives of Orange County" who never actually had a day of pain in her life. Go work in a hospital or volunteer in a nursing home for a week. I dare you. It's not up to you, who NEVER ONCE suffered a "natural disaster" to impose your two-bit philosophy on those who have suffered irreparable life-changing events and loss in natural disasters. What a fucking oblivious air-head.
You're ready to go ... if that were only true. Bye bye then.

[Everena]

I think we choose the way we die and we only ever suffer through any fear or pain that we have intentionally caused. I think natural disasters happen for a reason and those souls would rather be in a better place than this anyway. I know for myself, I have lost my fear of death completely with all the experiences and signs I have had, and I am ready to go at any time.

Wow. Really quite delusional. First of all, here you are talking about dying, after saying it never happens. Doh.

Our flesh dies, the real us never does.

I assure you people suffer a GREAT deal from their traumatic injuries, tumors, surgeries and other excruciatingly painful illnesses, (pancreatitis, kidney stones, brain cancers).

My mom died of brain cancer at just 46 years old and she was not in that much pain, but yes levels of pain vary. What is your point though?

People cause pain to each other deliberately all the time. Whether it be a terrorist, child molester, rapist, serial killer, or a child or spouse abuser, the pain they inflict is intentional.

And whether it be constantly putting people down with verbal abuse to a child or spouse or just to someone you don't like, that is intentionally causing pain.

And whether it be commiting adultery, or sleeping with your brother or friends wife, that is intentionally causing pain.

And whether it be lying about someone or lying to someone about something that matters to them, that is intentionally causing pain.

And whether it be spreading gossip about someone or even just teen-agers bullying a kid at school, that is intentionally causing pain.

You sound like an oblivious "suburban white lady" on the "Housewives of Orange County" who never actually had a day of pain in her life. Go work in a hospital or volunteer in a nursing home for a week.

I have suffered an enormous amount of pain in my life. You have no idea what you're talking about.

I dare you. It's not up to you, who NEVER ONCE suffered a "natural disaster" to impose your two-bit philosophy on those who have suffered irreparable life-changing events and loss in natural disasters. What a fucking oblivious air-head.
You're ready to go ... if that were only true. Bye bye then.

They are suffering regardless of what my philosophy is. And as someone who has suffered a great deal, it is better to have an explanation for why the pain is happening and an eventual positive outcome, than to think the pain is just happening for no reason, and then you die and go nowhere.

[Amarok]

[Anomalocaris]

Yes, and someone cause pain by browbeat others just because the others don’t agree with her world view, don’t think her preference for what reality should be matters at all to what reality actually is, and don’t buy her story of her being particular smart, knowledgeable, perspicacious or in any way possesses any authority on anything.

So if she actually believe what she profess to believe, she would be fearing self-inflicted karma pain in her eternal life just about now.   So sorry, Everena.  Bad karma, very bad.

[GUBU]

I know it's completely irrelevant, but it's still better than all the shite Mr & Mrs Inquisition are pumping out.