Posts: 2741
Threads: 2
Joined: May 4, 2018
Reputation:
3
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 5, 2019 at 8:49 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2019 at 8:52 am by CDF47.)
(March 5, 2019 at 8:26 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: (March 5, 2019 at 12:45 am)CDF47 Wrote: Argue the facts rather than making baseless personal attacks on me.
Sure. Evolution is not a random process. You know this. You are a liar.
The random mutations that occur are completely random. There are two options; either design or complete randomness. Design is obviously the clear option that is true.
Posts: 2755
Threads: 8
Joined: November 28, 2014
Reputation:
22
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 5, 2019 at 9:00 am
At work.
(March 5, 2019 at 8:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: (March 5, 2019 at 8:26 am)Abaddon_ire Wrote: Sure. Evolution is not a random process. You know this. You are a liar.
The random mutations that occur are completely random. There are two options; either design or complete randomness. Design is obviously the clear option that is true.
Okay, I'll bite.
Alright then CDF47?
How might one 'Inteligently design' a mutation event?
Posts: 2741
Threads: 2
Joined: May 4, 2018
Reputation:
3
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 5, 2019 at 9:03 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2019 at 9:05 am by CDF47.)
(March 5, 2019 at 9:00 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(March 5, 2019 at 8:49 am)CDF47 Wrote: The random mutations that occur are completely random. There are two options; either design or complete randomness. Design is obviously the clear option that is true.
Okay, I'll bite.
Alright then CDF47?
How might one 'Inteligently design' a mutation event?
The same way God designed this entire universe (as it too is finely tuned). The planet is finely tuned as are living systems. There is fine tuning everywhere in the laws of physics and everywhere we look. God uses mutations in His design.
Posts: 2755
Threads: 8
Joined: November 28, 2014
Reputation:
22
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 5, 2019 at 9:15 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2019 at 9:17 am by Peebothuhlu.)
At work.
(March 5, 2019 at 9:03 am)CDF47 Wrote: (March 5, 2019 at 9:00 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Okay, I'll bite.
Alright then CDF47?
How might one 'Inteligently design' a mutation event?
The same way God designed this entire universe (as it too is finely tuned). The planet is finely tuned as are living systems. There is fine tuning everywhere in the laws of physics and everywhere we look. God uses mutations in His design.
Uhm..... no CDF47.
Those are more random assertions.
Pointing you back on to my question.
You posted;
"The random mutation that occur are completely random. There are two options; Either design or complete randomness. Design is obviously the clear option that is true."
Okay, lets grant you this 'True design' in regards to mutations.
How does/might it work/happen?
The so called 'Fine tuning' just sets the table.
How does the designing 'Thing' derandomize the mutation events?
Posts: 2741
Threads: 2
Joined: May 4, 2018
Reputation:
3
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 5, 2019 at 9:18 am
(March 5, 2019 at 9:15 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(March 5, 2019 at 9:03 am)CDF47 Wrote: The same way God designed this entire universe (as it too is finely tuned). The planet is finely tuned as are living systems. There is fine tuning everywhere in the laws of physics and everywhere we look. God uses mutations in His design.
Uhm..... no CDF47.
Those are more random assertions.
Pointing you back on to my question.
You posted;
"The random mutation that occur are completely random. There are two options; Either design or complete randomness. Design is obviously the clear opt8on that is true."
Okay, lets grant you this 'True design' in regards to mutations.
How does/might it work/happen?
So called 'Fine tuning' just sets the table.
How does the designing 'Thing' derandomize the mutation events?
He has derandomized them as we have found them. My point was He created all this fine-tuning. Not sure the details of all the implementation of His design but some of it is obvious as we observe.
Posts: 67453
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
161
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 5, 2019 at 9:18 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2019 at 9:22 am by The Grand Nudger.)
God must have "intelligently designed us" even though we mutate at random. Looks like things can be random and designed, after all. Way to demolish your own argument.
It's interesting that none of the "fine-tuning" we possess requires a creator, and perhaps even more so that none of the "fine-tuning" one would expect of this designer is present. He must have gone through alot of trouble making us look like he wasn't involved. Or not, I guess. God could do nothing and it would look exactly like it does. I sometimes wonder if the author of the human condition has a sense of humor.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 2741
Threads: 2
Joined: May 4, 2018
Reputation:
3
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 5, 2019 at 9:20 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2019 at 9:22 am by CDF47.)
Isaac Newton on Nature:
"Though these bodies may indeed continue in their orbits by the mere laws of gravity, yet they could by no means have at first derived the regular positions of the orbits themselves from those laws. Thus, this most beautiful system of the sun, planets, and comets, could only proceed from the council and dominion of an intelligent and powerful Being."
- General Scholium to the Principia
(March 5, 2019 at 9:18 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: God must have "intelligently designed us" even though we mutate at random. Looks like things can be random and designed, after all. Way to demolish your own argument.
It's interesting that none of the "fine-tuning" we possess requires a creator, and perhaps even more so that none of the "fine-tuning" one would expect of this designer is present.
BS. There is no way the fine-tuning of the universe, the solar system, the planet, and living systems came about by random chance. Give it up. No serious scientist with all this proof in front of them would ever buy that.
Posts: 2755
Threads: 8
Joined: November 28, 2014
Reputation:
22
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 5, 2019 at 9:24 am
At work.
(March 5, 2019 at 9:18 am)CDF47 Wrote: (March 5, 2019 at 9:15 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: Uhm..... no CDF47.
Those are more random assertions.
Pointing you back on to my question.
You posted;
"The random mutation that occur are completely random. There are two options; Either design or complete randomness. Design is obviously the clear opt8on that is true."
Okay, lets grant you this 'True design' in regards to mutations.
How does/might it work/happen?
So called 'Fine tuning' just sets the table.
How does the designing 'Thing' derandomize the mutation events?
He has derandomized them as we have found them. My point was He created all this fine-tuning. Not sure the details of all the implementation of His design but some of it is obvious as we observe.
It's okay to say "I don't know how the design thing derandomizes the mutation event." CDF47.
You really have to 'Let go' of your "Fine tuning is answer for everything" CDF47.
Posts: 67453
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
161
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 5, 2019 at 9:24 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2019 at 9:26 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Except for the ways that we know about and can demonstrate happening and to have happened in the past, with every expectation that they do and will continue to happen.
Obviously you don't have a issue with things de-randomizing this or that, and that's hard to square away with your rejection of biology. Good luck with that.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 2741
Threads: 2
Joined: May 4, 2018
Reputation:
3
RE: DNA Proves Existence of a Designer
March 5, 2019 at 9:29 am
(This post was last modified: March 5, 2019 at 9:30 am by CDF47.)
(March 5, 2019 at 9:24 am)Peebo-Thuhlu Wrote: At work.
(March 5, 2019 at 9:18 am)CDF47 Wrote: He has derandomized them as we have found them. My point was He created all this fine-tuning. Not sure the details of all the implementation of His design but some of it is obvious as we observe.
It's okay to say "I don't know how the design thing derandomizes the mutation event." CDF47.
You really have to 'Let go' of your "Fine tuning is answer for everything" CDF47.
I said I don't know all the details of the design but we know quite a bit from what is observed.
(March 5, 2019 at 9:24 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: Except for the ways that we know about and can demonstrate happening and to have happened in the past, with every expectation that they do and will continue to happen.
Obviously you don't have a issue with things de-randomizing this or that, and that's hard to square away with your rejection of biology. Good luck with that.
I don't reject biology. I reject a common ancestry with monkeys though.
|
