DNA Proves Existence of a Designer

[madog]

You do realise being dishonest is against your chosen path .... christianity?

Please list just one claim Dr Tour makes, in the video GG supplied, that makes, or even attempts to make a case for Design .....

If you are not lying it should be easy for you to list the time in the video that shows you are telling the truth .....

He may well just pull a GG and insist you watch the video and not actual defend any of the points in it .

I watched the full video  ... it was painful lol  .... but Dr Tour does not make a case for design, he simply says that he thinks a cell is too complex to be created by evolution  .... he does not offer an alternative ....

[Pat Mustard]

Well that's a nice welcoming message.

When it comes to ye fundagelical liars I substitute politeness for a good solid kicking in the kidneys. In the long run it does ye liars better.

[CDF47]

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I've read enough in 1300 pages to know I disagree with most of what you say.  You do not believe in a Creator for some reason.  I disagree with this totally.

OFC you do, but you don't disagree with this on the basis of anything in evidence anymore than you believe it on the basis of the same.  You have beliefs...and that's okay....but it's a generally good practice to understand your own beliefs...what they are, and what they're not.   For the very last time, can you provide some source attribution for the claim that information only comes from minds, or is it just another silly thing you believe but can't place?  

You still have not come remotely close to explaining the information bearing properties of DNA. All you do is go back to this example of things which are not all three components of complex and specified and functional.

That would be your work to do, not mine.  There's no requirement that anyone else be able to answer any question you have, and no ones failure to answer whatever question you might have lends any credence or support to your god beliefs.

That's just not how any of this works, lol.

That said, the failure of the ID movement to flesh out any of those terms and claims is what lead ID proponents to grudgingly accept and openly state that their assertion wasn't empirical in the first place.   Let's ignore this for a moment, though, to explore why none of this matters...not even to you.  Suppose we try to be as generous as possible to this claim?  DNA, and even more broadly, "life", is complex, specified, and functional.  Our current understanding of evolutionary biology necessitates just such a state of affairs.  It's equally plausible that there could have been simpler, unspecied, and less or non functional bits of life and dna.....but in any situation where these two representatives of generous hypothetical sets find themselves in competition, selection strongly favors the relatively complex, specialized, and more functional subject.  

So there you are, a way to generously assess this claim and put it in the context of known facts.  Notice that a tinkergod is entirely absent?  Will this satisfy you, is a natural complexity, specificity, and functionality acceptable?  Or are you instead not referring to anything like that?

-and all of this, every single word, has already been explained to you multiple times by multiple posters throughout these many pages.  This ceased to be any sort of disagreement of fact over 1k pages ago.  You have beliefs...and that's okay, but you should understand what they are, and what they aren't.  You think a tinkergod made everything, but it isn't on account of any complexity, specificity, or functionality that you think so.  It's something you read in a magic book, that you can't explain, and that you don't seem to be able to source otherwise and elsewhere.  It's as trivially easy to respond to this faith based claim as it was on the first page, and in an impressive demonstration of just how inept this "argument" for tinkergod really is, it can be rejected by simply agreeing with every portion of the claim.  Yes, DNA and even life itself is all of those things, and facts in evidence handily explain how this came to be so - none of those facts in evidence are god facts, and no god tinkering is required to yield this state of affairs.

You will, ofc, continue to believe and assert that all things are...somehow..finely pushed, including these explicitly mundane facts of biology, but that's all that this is or ever was.  The droning reassertion of your magic book based faith.

So this is the best you have to offer?  You didn't even begin to address the information problem in your argument.

[The Grand Nudger]

Case in point.

[CDF47]

I ignore the BS tactic of insults the best I can.  It is just a tactic to keep people from posting opposing opinions.

Or it's not a tactic but a justified response to your bullshit

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This is just more discussion for me.  The debate was won with the first post in this thread in the OP, LOL.

You can continue to repeat that falsehood it remains false

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He opposes the scientific establishment which is wrong at times throughout history.  He makes a really solid case for design.

He's a crank motivated by ideological convictions and in this case the "establishment " is right . And for every time the "establishment" has been wrong it's detractors have been even more wrong . But funny do you apply the  "establishment" to biblical studies ? Or is the establishment only wrong when it disagrees with you ? And he has made no case .

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You still have not come remotely close to explaining the information bearing properties of DNA. All you do is go back to this example of things which are not all three components of complex and specified and functional.

Argument from ignorance and his examples are valid

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  You do not believe in a Creator for some reason.  I disagree with this totally.

Because there is zero evidence and you disagree because you know your wrong

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OFC you do, but you don't disagree with this on the basis of anything in evidence anymore than you believe it on the basis of the same.  You have beliefs...and that's okay....but it's a generally good practice to understand your own beliefs...what they are, and what they're not.   For the very last time, can you provide some source attribution for the claim that information only comes from minds, or is it just another silly thing you believe but can't place?  


That would be your work to do, not mine.  There's no requirement that anyone else be able to answer any question you have, and no ones failure to answer whatever question you might have lends any credence or support to your god beliefs.

That's just not how any of this works, lol.

That said, the failure of the ID movement to flesh out any of those terms and claims is what lead ID proponents to grudgingly accept and openly state that their assertion wasn't empirical in the first place.   Let's ignore this for a moment, though, to explore why none of this matters...not even to you.  Suppose we try to be as generous as possible to this claim?  DNA, and even more broadly, "life", is complex, specified, and functional.  Our current understanding of evolutionary biology necessitates just such a state of affairs.  It's equally plausible that there could have been simpler, unspecied, and less or non functional bits of life and dna.....but in any situation where these two representatives of generous hypothetical sets find themselves in competition, selection strongly favors the relatively complex, specialized, and more functional subject.  

So there you are, a way to generously assess this claim and put it in the context of known facts.  Notice that a tinkergod is entirely absent?  Will this satisfy you, is a natural complexity, specificity, and functionality acceptable?  Or are you instead not referring to anything like that?

-and all of this, every single word, has already been explained to you multiple times by multiple posters throughout these many pages.  This ceased to be any sort of disagreement of fact over 1k pages ago.  You have beliefs...and that's okay, but you should understand what they are, and what they aren't.  You think a tinkergod made everything, but it isn't on account of any complexity, specificity, or functionality that you think so.  It's something you read in a magic book, that you can't explain, and that you don't seem to be able to source otherwise and elsewhere.  It's as trivially easy to respond to this faith based claim as it was on the first page, and in an impressive demonstration of just how inept this "argument" for tinkergod really is, it can be rejected by simply agreeing with every portion of the claim.  Yes, DNA and even life itself is all of those things, and facts in evidence handily explain how this came to be so - none of those facts in evidence are god facts, and no god tinkering is required to yield this state of affairs.

You will, ofc, continue to believe and assert that all things are...somehow..finely pushed, including these explicitly mundane facts of biology, but that's all that this is or ever was.  The droning reassertion of your magic book based faith.

Funny we have to "explain" IDiot made terms and when we don't play by their made up  rules they get fussy

They get things wrong all the time.  it is part of human nature.  You act like the scientific establishment is your god.

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He makes a really solid case for design.

You do realise being dishonest is against your chosen path .... christianity?

Please list just one claim Dr Tour makes, in the video GG supplied, that makes, or even attempts to make a case for Design .....

If you are not lying it should be easy for you to list the time in the video that shows you are telling the truth .....

Most of the video I watched.

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You do realise being dishonest is against your chosen path .... christianity?

Please list just one claim Dr Tour makes, in the video GG supplied, that makes, or even attempts to make a case for Design .....

If you are not lying it should be easy for you to list the time in the video that shows you are telling the truth .....

He may well just pull a GG and insist you watch the video and not actual defend any of the points in it .

I will discuss the videos in my signature and the one's that I post.  I am not here to back up the video posted by another user.

[Cod]

@CDF47 I voted for you in the sexiest member category, remember that when you're ice fishing.

[CDF47]

He may well just pull a GG and insist you watch the video and not actual defend any of the points in it .

I watched the full video  ... it was painful lol  .... but Dr Tour does not make a case for design, he simply says that he thinks a cell is too complex to be created by evolution  .... he does not offer an alternative ....

He says near the beginning that he is going to stay away from doing that.

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Well that's a nice welcoming message.

When it comes to ye fundagelical liars I substitute politeness for a good solid kicking in the kidneys.  In the long run it does ye liars better.

Ahh more insults from Internet keyboard warriors.  I'm impressed.

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@CDF47 I voted for you in the sexiest member category, remember that when you're ice fishing.

Sweet.  Thanks.

[Pat Mustard]

Ahh more insults from Internet keyboard warriors.  I'm impressed.

My heart was broken,
My heart was broken,
Sorrow, Sorrow,
Sorrow, Sorrow,
My heart was broken,
My heart was broken,

[Cod]

Ahh more insults from Internet keyboard warriors.  I'm impressed.

My heart was broken,
My heart was broken,
Sorrow, Sorrow,
Sorrow, Sorrow,
My heart was broken,
My heart was broken,

Thanks for putting that in my head at bedtime.

[Amarok]

They get things wrong all the time.

In this instance anything they have gotten wrong pales in comparison to what they have gotten right . Unlike ID which has never gotten anything right and needs to keep making Ad hoc excuses when they fail .

  it is part of human nature. 

Yup but see above 

You act like the scientific establishment is your god.

The total opposite your projecting your feelings toward ID cranks towards me .

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Ahh more insults from Internet keyboard warriors.  I'm impressed.

More butthurt from a Christian keyboard warrior and I have no doubt we would say all this to your face .