Homo Erectus, Guys, Not HSS

[Minimalist]

Some of these rafts were recorded to have carried live animals all the way across the Indian Ocean to Africa.

I'd like to see the source for that one.  What would they have eaten on the way?

Yet some old world monkeys evidently drifted all the way across the Atlantic to South America to become ancesters of new world monkeys on mats of vegetation.

Or they were carried across the relatively narrow passage between Africa and So America by boat-building HE.  The winds and currents are perfect for an east-to-west crossing....although the return trip would be pretty damned hard.

[The Grand Nudger]

Some of these rafts were recorded to have carried live animals all the way across the Indian Ocean to Africa.

I'd like to see the source for that one.  What would they have eaten on the way?

The idea is that they ate the raft itself, and other detritus hitching a ride. Which, I suppose would be true even if the raft were really a boat.

[Minimalist]

It's roughly 8,000 KM from the Sunda Strait to Africa.  That's a long journey on a raft without food or water.  I wonder how long it would take?  Anything over 2 weeks is problematical.

[Anomalocaris]

Some of these rafts were recorded to have carried live animals all the way across the Indian Ocean to Africa.

I'd like to see the source for that one.  What would they have eaten on the way?

Yet some old world monkeys evidently drifted all the way across the Atlantic to South America to become ancesters of new world monkeys on mats of vegetation.

Or they were carried across the relatively narrow passage between Africa and So America by boat-building HE.  The winds and currents are perfect for an east-to-west crossing....although the return trip would be pretty damned hard.

Vegetation like coconut trees were also borne along by the pumice raft.  These rafts carried all sorts of tsunami debris.  Granted what got to Africa this way in 1888 were insects and rodents, but Africa was vastly further away than the distance between islands on either sides of the deeper straits in the phillipines.

Old world monkeys made it to the new world 40 million years before what would be the first homo erectus have yet been a glimmer in the eye of a horny homo ergaster.   Unless early monkeys built boats, they didn’t get there by boat.

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It's roughly 8,000 KM from the Sunda Strait to Africa.  That's a long journey on a raft without food or water.  I wonder how long it would take?  Anything over 2 weeks is problematical.

6 month to a year.

[Minimalist]

6 month to a year.

That's a long time to go without eating or drinking.

[Anomalocaris]

6 month to a year.

That's a long time to go without eating or drinking.

They ate the tsunami debris that were also on the raft. I don’t know what they drank. Maybe there is enough water in what they ate, maybe rainwater collected in pockets on the raft.

[Gawdzilla Sama]

Marsupials originated in s. america.

Yes, but so long ago that s America was still attached to other continents.

What about the marsupials in Australia?

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That's a long time to go without eating or drinking.

They ate the tsunami debris that were also on the raft.   I don’t know what they drank.  Maybe there is enough water in what they ate, maybe rainwater collected in pockets on the raft.

It can rain daily during the rainy season in that area. But if they loaded down with coconuts they would have to stress on it.

[Minimalist]

That's a long time to go without eating or drinking.

They ate the tsunami debris that were also on the raft.   I don’t know what they drank.  Maybe there is enough water in what they ate, maybe rainwater collected in pockets on the raft.

You have enough speculation in there to justify calling it a miracle.  And you know what I think of fucking miracles!

[Anomalocaris]

Yes, but so long ago that s America was still attached to other continents.

What about the marsupials in Australia?

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They ate the tsunami debris that were also on the raft.   I don’t know what they drank.  Maybe there is enough water in what they ate, maybe rainwater collected in pockets on the raft.

It can rain daily during the rainy season in that area. But if they loaded down with coconuts they would have to stress on it.

South America, Antarctica, Australia and Africa were attached as recently as about 100 million years ago. Earliest marsupials probably predated that. So it seems probable to me that marsupials made it Australia before Australia split off into an island continent.

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They ate the tsunami debris that were also on the raft.   I don’t know what they drank.  Maybe there is enough water in what they ate, maybe rainwater collected in pockets on the raft.

You have enough speculation in there to justify calling it a miracle.  And you know what I think of fucking miracles!

I am only speculating about how they made it. That they made it is no speculation.

[Foxaèr]

Six thousand year old earth my ass.