Ahlulbayt in Quran and blindness to them is best explained by dark magic.

[The Grand Nudger]

It;s entirely likely that his family and/or friends are feeding the delusion on account of it;s simple religious utility.  Turning to them for help may not be the solution you're imagining it is....it might even be what got him into this mess.

[Brian37]

I think if people realize the hate towards the family of the reminder has been real thing starting from Noah's chosen offspring, to many chosen families all up until to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph and the successors that followed, to the family of Moses/Aaron/David/Imran, and that these true Kings are what holy books argue by and call towards,  and it manifestly happened without dispute in the nation of Mohammad, with respect to his holy family, which is the best family of all chosen families, than people will realize the blindness is not natural. 

What I mean by not natural, it's that it cannot be explained by anything but a supernatural overwhelming magical force, that works both inwardly and outwardly to cause this blindness.

Now why am I saying this on Atheist forum. I've talked about the working backwards approach but also this is the main reason for me to believe in Islam. It may not be the most conventional reason, but I don't believe in obscuring the truth because one doesn't want people to see it, hence, I believe the side hiding the truth and deceiving the masses is evil.

I don't legitimize those who hide the truth, mask it, and manipulate people as protectors of humanity that protected it from truth. Neither do I believe Mohammad was sent by a rebellious faction of what today is commonly referred to as the illuminati, and what Quran refers to as the "gathering of Humans and Jinn" or "Some men from the humans would take refuge in men in the Jinn".

In fact, Arabia religion the polytheistic religion, was not based on imaginary being, but real beings, real Jinn, per account of Quran.   These beings were thought to be Angels of God, but God throughout argues, how they have been deceived by rather devils who may even have deceived themselves about being Angels.

Why a human and not an Angel as representative and spiritual guide, is a huge question. In fact, Quran didn't take any objection aside from the "why not has a proof being sent down" as this one.

It's not a question people discuss in the open now, but when the illuminati come with their religion, the issue of delegation of God's trust of leadership, will be a huge question.

I believe the issue of leadership and the chosen families meant for them, is beyond clear in the Quran, to the extent, it could not be any clearer without causing more problems then it solves.

God is subtle yet clear, clear yet subtle, that is the nature of his revelations.  

When it becomes so clear, and you will see it, I will listen to your explanations on how this occurs, but I will argue without the element of sinister evil and magic, it doesn't make sense.

That is the synopsis. If you are not interested in this topic, I kindly ask you to just remain silent, and not coming mocking this topic.

I cant repeat this enough. I do not care if you were a Christian or Jew arguing this same story. The flood myth NEVER HAPPENED, and science has debunked it. The story is also immoral alone in concept because it requires GENOCIDE of everyone outside that family. Then you are also left with a limited gene pool after the mythological flood ends, so whom exactly were the Noah family having sex with, if not each other?

MK, how about YOU consider the humans that wrote that story didn't know any better, and it was merely a way for humans to market local tribalism?

[The Grand Nudger]

I don;t know why Mystic wastes his time.  He ought to be out there furiously rubbing every lamp he can find.  It'd be a whole lot easier to convince people that genies existed if he could just..you know, find one.

Until such a time..I;m going to keep pointing and laughing, while noting the creativity with which people explained bastard children conceived in the desert in dead of night.

There's clarity of thought, of a kind, in the post above..though. It seems that he knows that his religion doesn;t make sense....and since theres no "sinister evil and magic" he;s just one -tiny- step from abandoning his faith. All he has to do is realize that some people think his silly shit is silly shit all by themselves. No djinn required. How hard can that be to believe..really, more or less difficult than believing in djinn and dark magic..I wonder?

[Angrboda]

It;s entirely likely that his family and/or friends are feeding the delusion on account of it;s simple religious utility.  Turning to them for help may not be the solution you're imagining it is....it might even be what got him into this mess.

I think, with certain mental illnesses, certain themes can be more entrancing, more significant and salient, lending toward an obsession with such themes. I know of myself that when I fail to do something I am otherwise tasked to do, I often have to wonder whether that is an expression of my depression or just the type of person I am. I also know that I've gone through brief periods of weeks where religious themes took on considerable significance and urgency to me, and just as suddenly stopped being so. I think anyone who exists on the schizotypal spectrum of illnesses, such as MK and myself, have to be careful to know that one's involvement with religious themes is just an expression of healthy interest, rather than expressing a susceptibility to obsess about such themes. In the latter case, one's behavior can be unduly influenced by one's illness without technically being mentally ill. I suspect MK falls on this border, that while his commitment to his religion reflects a healthy interest, the degree and way his interest in these themes manifests itself is being unduly influenced by the predispositions he likely has as a person with schizophrenia. (The stream of consciousness narratives, filled with romantic religious imagery, in particular, seem an example.)

[Mystic]

You guys are all experts about mental illness now too.

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Brian in Quran, Noah had followers, it was not just his family who boarded.

As for a physical flood, I don't think that occurred either.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Ahlulbayt in Quran and blindness to them is best explained by dark magic... I kindly ask you to just remain silent, and not coming mocking this topic.

If you don't wish to be mocked, stop going on about dark magic.  Mockey mockety mock.

You guys are all experts about mental illness now too.

Not remotely an expert.  I'm also not an expert on ostriches, but I know one when I see it.

Boru

[Mystic]

It happens to be mocking this issue is a symptom of the affliction from dark magic.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

Boru

[The Grand Nudger]

It happens to be mocking this issue is a symptom of the affliction from dark magic.

What issue?  We're mocking you.  It;s you, Mystic.  Do demons and sorcerers cast spells on everyone specifically so that they mock you?

Are you sure that demons and sorcerers don;t have better things to do?

[ignoramus]

I've stopped mocking MK a whole ago when I realised he really is unwell.
Hope you get better one day matey... Be safe.