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Is there free will in heaven?
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RE: Is their free will in heaven?
(December 3, 2010 at 12:29 pm)Chapabel Wrote:
(December 3, 2010 at 12:22 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Many theologians believe that we will have free will in Heaven

Many theologians believe lots of silly shit. Talk about a worthless discipline!


If you are going to respond to my posts, try to keep a civil tonuge in your pie hole. If you are not able to carry on a decent conversation it would be best to keep quiet.


You started with the personal insults, Jack. When you did that the gloves came off.

Go fuck yourself.



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#12
RE: Is their free will in heaven?
No...I did not insult you Minimalist. If I did please indicate where when and how. If I did it was purely unintentional, so please forgive me.
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#13
RE: Is their free will in heaven?
(December 3, 2010 at 12:14 pm)Chapabel Wrote: The Bible teaches that in Heaven believers will have new, glorified bodies. Many theologians believe that we will have free will in Heaven, but since there is no sin in Heaven we cannot sin.

Every human mind has the capacity to conceive of sin. Are you (or the theologians you reference) suggesting that this capacity will be removed from the minds of those who make it upstairs?

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#14
RE: Is their free will in heaven?
Since god tends to punish for eternity those who choose to exercise their free will I would think that heaven would be full of people who have either turned theirs off or didn't have it in the first place.

So, the answer is no.
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#15
RE: Is their free will in heaven?
(December 3, 2010 at 9:37 pm)Abraham3 Wrote: Every human mind has the capacity to conceive of sin. Are you (or the theologians you reference) suggesting that this capacity will be removed from the minds of those who make it upstairs?

I agree that humans are capable of doing quite vile acts, but according to the bible sin is anything disobeying god. Even acting in your interests as opposed to god's is considered a sin by some Christians, I kid you not.

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#16
RE: Is their free will in heaven?
If we are born with free will we lose it the first time we sin. Romans 6:16 says,
Quote:Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?
In our natural state we are so sinful that we can't obey God by our own power. Jesus said,
Quote:No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.
Anyone who responds to God's call and puts his faith in Christ receives a new nature which is incapable of sinning. As long as we are in this life we still have our old nature and therefore we can still sin, but when we leave this life the old nature will be destroyed. In heaven we will have free wills and be able to do anything we want but we won't ever want to do anything that is sinful. This means that we can do whatever we please without worrying about whether our actions will have any harmful results. This is a degree of freedom that can never be experienced during this life.
His invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse.
Romans 1:20 ESV

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#17
RE: Is their free will in heaven?
I would have to say by the way I've heard Christians describe their supposed heaven, no. I actually watched a rather interesting video on the subject of freewill and heaven not too long ago:



It reminded me of when I was a child and was afraid of both dying and not being able to die. Tongue
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#18
RE: Is their free will in heaven?
" How am I going to be made compatible with it ..." Here in is the crux of the failed arguement. Being a Christian is not about giving up your freedoms or memories, it's about Conforming to a higher ideal. It's not about heaven making itself compatible to you, or you still being who you are and having to give up something for peace in heaven. If you're getting into heaven it's because your old self has died and you're made new, in Love and selflessnes. I feel yoou have the same freedom to choose you do in heaven as you do here. If Lucifer can disobey God, then it's not heaven that prevents free will, nor is there any lack of choice to go against God. I would add that it's not acting in your own interests that is a sin, but it's acting against God's interest in you that is a sin.

I don't necessarily agree with theophilus that we're at any time without the ability to choose. Nor do I beleive it is the Christin standard to believe that once you've given your life to Christ that you are incabable of sin. We're human and we're all sinners (athesists can read selfish to not be offended), saved or not.
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#19
RE: Is their free will in heaven?
(December 4, 2010 at 12:56 pm)theophilus Wrote: In heaven we will have free wills and be able to do anything we want but we won't ever want to do anything that is sinful. This means that we can do whatever we please without worrying about whether our actions will have any harmful results. This is a degree of freedom that can never be experienced during this life.

I trust you choked and sputtered a bit as you wrote this.

If we have free wills, we are prohibited from nothing: no thought is impossible. If we were capable of sin before we died but not after, we have lost something. Your god has either removed a capacity or is blocking the freedom of our wills. Try again.


Thank you for the video Lethe. And may I say you look lovely today...
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#20
RE: Is their free will in heaven?
Non denominantional and evenglsit Christians are the scareist ones. Ive been to there churchs and i have had night mares? Why would god want you yelling and screaming like a physco?? People who do that can deffintly not have free will, and if god wants that then we wont have free will? Any one who needs praise is doing it self. God is shelish and arrogent. There is no free will as long as religion is around!
"Religious faith is the species of human ignorance that will not admit even the possibillity of correction."-Sam Harris
For Man to move forward we must throw away religion, and put it in the Mythology section, and then use Reason, Logic, and Common sense to solve all our daily problems. That's a Higher Level of Thinking.
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