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Angrboda · May 22, 2018 at 4:21 pm

14 For when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, while their conscience also bears witness, and their conflicting thoughts accuse or even excuse them 16 on that day when, according to my gospel, God judges the secrets of men by Christ Jesus.
Romans 2:14-16

God gets it wrong again.

Catholic_Lady · May 22, 2018 at 4:37 pm

Morality comes from the natural order of this world and how it works. Since this world was created by God with an ultimate plan in place, morality comes from Him in that sense.

I don't understand the psychopath question.

~~Edwardo Piet~~ · May 22, 2018 at 5:16 pm

(May 22, 2018 at 8:05 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Title: On a spreadsheet.

I do not understand.

**brewer** · May 22, 2018 at 5:17 pm

(May 22, 2018 at 5:16 pm)Hammy Wrote:
(May 22, 2018 at 8:05 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Title: On a spreadsheet.

I do not understand.

Yeah, not falling for that one.

Angrboda · (This post was last modified: May 22, 2018 at 7:29 pm by Angrboda.)

(May 22, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Morality comes from the natural order of this world and how it works. Since this world was created by God with an ultimate plan in place, morality comes from Him in that sense.

So, what you're saying is that we don't need God in order to explain morality, right?

~~Edwardo Piet~~ · May 22, 2018 at 7:33 pm

(May 22, 2018 at 7:28 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote:
(May 22, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Morality comes from the natural order of this world and how it works. Since this world was created by God with an ultimate plan in place, morality comes from Him in that sense.

So, what you're saying is that we don't need God in order to explain morality, right?

She seems, to me, to be saying that morality comes from the natural world, but the natural world comes from God, therefore ultimately morality comes from God

Wyrd of Gawd · May 22, 2018 at 8:24 pm

(May 22, 2018 at 2:41 pm)robvalue Wrote:
(May 22, 2018 at 1:00 pm)Drich Wrote: We don't all belong to God. We are not all seeds of God.

Mat 13:
24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

Can't god overpower this enemy and put morality in all of us? Why is he letting someone mess with his creation?

The parable seems to suggest God has been outwitted/circumnavigated.

According to the fairy tale when Adam & Eve ate from the tree of knowledge of good and evil they bcame just as smart as Yahweh was about what's right and what's wrong behavior. So after that point Yahweh became irrelevant on moral issues. His option now is to either grant eternal life or to toss us into the lake of fire. And if you don't want to live forever he can't control you. No matter what happens to you it has already happened to countless other people. It's not like you're going to end up in a chair revolving around Saturn in one of its rings.

**robvalue** · (This post was last modified: May 22, 2018 at 8:55 pm by robvalue.)

(May 22, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Morality comes from the natural order of this world and how it works. Since this world was created by God with an ultimate plan in place, morality comes from Him in that sense.

I don't understand the psychopath question.

Why does his plan involve some people being amoral?

(May 22, 2018 at 3:15 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I still don't understand the motivation for "Hey, Theist!" threads. There's only a handful of theists on AF and what do you really care about what we think?

I find the thought processes interesting.

Catholic_Lady · May 22, 2018 at 10:08 pm

(May 22, 2018 at 8:52 pm)robvalue Wrote:
(May 22, 2018 at 4:37 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Morality comes from the natural order of this world and how it works. Since this world was created by God with an ultimate plan in place, morality comes from Him in that sense.

I don't understand the psychopath question.

Why does his plan involve some people being amoral?

(May 22, 2018 at 3:15 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: I still don't understand the motivation for "Hey, Theist!" threads. There's only a handful of theists on AF and what do you really care about what we think?

I find the thought processes interesting.

Psychopaths don't have to be immoral. They have free will like everyone else.

**Foxaèr** · May 22, 2018 at 10:11 pm

I don't think you understand how psychopathy works.

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Poll: How do you account for psychopaths? This poll is closed.
I don’t believe God is responsible for our morality	50.00%	4	50.00%
I don’t accept that psychopaths really exist	0%	0	0%
Psychopaths are choosing to ignore their innate sense of right and wrong	0%	0	0%
God mistakenly misses out psychopaths when granting morality	0%	0	0%
It’s the psychopath’s fault they have no empathy	25.00%	2	25.00%
It’s because of “the fall”	0%	0	0%
Other	25.00%	2	25.00%
Total		8 vote(s)	100%

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