Another reason to accept evolution.....

[The Grand Nudger]

You oversimplify the issue. I understand evolution as presented by Naturalists.

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-and that..right there, is why any debate with you on this issue is a complete waste of time.  There is no "as presented by".  If you can;t accept the facts of biology or evolution...you cannot make cogent comment on the theories derived from either.

If the "issue" you'd actually like to discuss is the assertion of the supernatural articles of your faith...then just give us the mechanism of magic thats operating in addition to the mundane observable shit... and be done with it..but understand that would not be a discussion of biology or evolutionary theory.

[Little Rik]

So let us now see the result of your points.
NONE IS VALID therefore you failed on all counts.  

You completely misunderstood the intention behind my post.  I was telling you how materialists see their own ideas as a correction to your misconceptions about them.  If you are going to disagree with materialists, you at least shouldn't misrepresent what they think.

I already knew you disagreed with materialists for bad reasons....

Materialists in general can or can not care whether God is there or not but those materialists that think that God does not exist come under the name of ATHEISTS.

For materialists the evolution of consciousness is mainly related to the evolution of the body  so when the body goes to the dogs so to speak also the consciousness follow the same fate.

It is a fail to fail demented philosophy that lead to.....to the dogs.  

So in materialism there is no real evolution of the consciousness of whatsoever because materialism ignore that the real evolution lies with the consciousness that survive the body.
So to summarize = just plain BS and nothing else.  

[Alan V]

So to summarize = just plain BS and nothing else.  

Okay.  Well, thanks for the BS then.

[Fake Messiah]

Thing with theology is that it's not progressive but additive, with people just writing books about god and yet nothing can be said about God and no consensus has developed about gods and their will. This is in contrast with science, where consensus views have evolved in every field - views that may change with time, but always lead to a deeper understanding of the universe, one that expands our abilities and makes our predictions more accurate. Before 1940, there was no way to decide which primate was our closest relative, to land rockets on the Moon, to understand how the genetic material coded for bodies and behavior.

Theology in that way is similar to let's say Ufology where people write books but don't gain any new knowledge about aliens.

Theology and Ufology do change with time and those changes are driven largely by either science or changes in secular culture. From the beginning it was science that created most of the creation myths in Genesis, and archaeology to myths like the Exodus and the captivity of the Jews in Egypt. Just like it created Ufology.

Also advances in secular philosophy, like increasing empathy for minorities have changed notions of Hell, the infusion of social justice into churches, and the acceptance of minorities and women. That's also why religious morality promulgated by priests, rabbis, imams, and theologians, is usually one or many steps behind secular morality.

[Brian37]

You oversimplify the issue. I understand evolution as presented by Naturalists.

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-and that..right there, is why any debate with you on this issue is a complete waste of time.  There is no "as presented by".  If you can;t accept the facts of biology or evolution...you cannot make cogent comment on the theories derived from either.

If the "issue" you'd actually like to discuss is the assertion of the supernatural articles of your faith...then just give us the mechanism of magic thats operating in addition to the mundane observable shit... and be done with it..but understand that would not be a discussion of biology or evolutionary theory.

The only "mechanism" of the supernatural is human imagination. The layperson's term for "mechanism" is called "pulling shit out of your ass."

[Little Rik]

Thing with theology is that it's not progressive but additive, with people just writing books about god and yet nothing can be said about God and no consensus has developed about gods and their will. This is in contrast with science, where consensus views have evolved in every field - views that may change with time, but always lead to a deeper understanding of the universe, one that expands our abilities and makes our predictions more accurate. Before 1940, there was no way to decide which primate was our closest relative, to land rockets on the Moon, to understand how the genetic material coded for bodies and behavior.

Theology in that way is similar to let's say Ufology where people write books but don't gain any new knowledge about aliens.

Theology and Ufology do change with time and those changes are driven largely by either science or changes in secular culture. From the beginning it was science that created most of the creation myths in Genesis, and archaeology to myths like the Exodus and the captivity of the Jews in Egypt. Just like it created Ufology.

Also advances in secular philosophy, like increasing empathy for minorities have changed notions of Hell, the infusion of social justice into churches, and the acceptance of minorities and women. That's also why religious morality promulgated by priests, rabbis, imams, and theologians, is usually one or many steps behind secular morality.

Sure.
Of course.
Science or better say PHYSICAL SCIENCE always lead to a deeper understanding of the universe.......agree with that.
Unfortunately humans are not only made of matter or physicality right?

In this way if you try to solve human problem through the physical aspect only you will end up going around in circles and getting nowhere.

Just like a donkey that turn around and around and find itself in the same place.

You just don't get it FM, don't you?  









Color mine.

[Angrboda]

Unfortunately humans are not only made of matter or physicality right?

Evidence or GTFO.

[Little Rik]

Unfortunately humans are not only made of matter or physicality right?

Evidence or GTFO.

I fully understand your point yog.  
Unfortunately atheists are left in the mental-spiritual stone age  so they only perceive the physical body and nothing else.
Fortunately these days thanks to the expansion of knowledge you are able to get out the mental sewer   and learn how the whole system works.
Just do a little effort and learn.  


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[downbeatplumb]

Data can be interpreted multiple ways.

How does your data not support design mega jumps of evolution by God as in he changes a species spontaneously with new features that are designed as opposed to slow changes of small mini mutations over time?

How is "god" doing this changing?

And if its directed why the millions of sperm? If gods piloting the right sperm to the egg surely only one would be needed.

No evolution and indeed reproduction act as though there is no design there.

Slow changes have been observed.

[vorlon13]

Wiccans piss off the Christians almost as much as Metropolitan Community Church, so they be alright with me !!!