The witness argument (yet again, I know, I know)

[Anomalocaris]

The proofs if reflected over properly can lead to certainty.

You have no idea what reflected means much less how to do it properly. Further more, if it is done, it leads to higher probability, not certainty. You are one confused and conceited puppy well on your way to becoming cannon fodder for an idiotic jihad.

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I've proven God, just get over yourselves, and accept him.

You are so full of yourself you merely added revulsion to falsity.

[Silver]

There is problems that occur with this method with God directly talking to or sending Angels to all humans. The problems are not insignificant, they are greatly significant, and are best explained in the Quran.

The only problem I see is you creating apologetic arguments due to cognitive dissonance.

For people who constantly make the claim that god is unknowable, suddenly everything about god is known in order to attempt at refuting logical arguments against god's existence.

[Angrboda]

The proofs if reflected over properly can lead to certainty.

As can complete incompetence and ineptitude. Certainty, by itself, is evidence of nothing.

[BrianSoddingBoru4]

The proofs if reflected over properly can lead to certainty.

As can complete incompetence and ineptitude.  Certainty, by itself, is evidence of nothing.

^Exactly this.  You can be completely certain that black is white, that up is down, that you're being stalked by kittens armed with nuclear-powered apple corers, and be dead wrong about all of it.

Boru

[robvalue]

If god was real,  he wouldn't need others to do his work.  As he would be all encompassing, all everything, everywhere, at once and there wouldn't be a need for "messengers". He would be perfectly capable of sending out his own damn messages. Involvement of people would be unnecessary. Also - there would be no other forms of religion, no beliefs in other deities. There would be absolutely no question in anyone's mind that a god exists.

But none of this will ever happen. If it hasn't already, it never will. And no amount of the religious trying to convince us of that will ever work. So really, can y'all just knock it off already?

That would be a good religion: the church of, "God knows what he's doing, no need for us to interfere".

Each word spoken on god's behalf and each action taken in god's name betrays a frustration with god's inaction.

[downbeatplumb]

If you had proven god's existence, you wouldn't contradict yourself in the next breath by stating we need to simply accept him on faith.

Faith not based on proof is no faith at all.  The praised belief or faith or trust in Quran is that which is upon clear insight and proof which is acquired through reflection.

But the Babel fish is a dead give away isn't it.

[Minimalist]

If god was real,  he wouldn't need others to do his work.  As he would be all encompassing, all everything, everywhere, at once and there wouldn't be a need for "messengers". He would be perfectly capable of sending out his own damn messages. Involvement of people would be unnecessary. Also - there would be no other forms of religion, no beliefs in other deities. There would be absolutely no question in anyone's mind that a god exists.

But none of this will ever happen. If it hasn't already, it never will. And no amount of the religious trying to convince us of that will ever work. So really, can y'all just knock it off already?

That would be a good religion: the church of, "God knows what he's doing, no need for us to interfere".

Each word spoken on god's behalf and each action taken in god's name betrays a frustration with god's inaction.

Yeah... And most of all " god does not need you to send money.". That's one you'll never hear from the con artists.

[Ravenshire]

Then just fucking stop.

Your denial doesn't make the proofs go away... they are there, and will remain there no matter what you say.

Your repeated insistence doesn't fucking make them proofs of anything but your obsession.

[LastPoet]

Someone is full of itself in this thread. Find wally!

[Mystic]

Still waiting on you Boru!