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what would it take to reform a government?
December 9, 2010 at 3:32 am
Im from America, but im going to assume that most of the major countries have this problem as well. Personally i like the idea behind the American government, but i cant help but think hasnt the last 200+ years fundamentally changed the way we need government? I mean at this point in America its hard to get anything done because its so bureaucratic and we are in desperate need of some economic changes (mostly in the form of rasing taxes in my opinion) but nothing can get done in a timely manner. I feel that right now the only thing thats keeping America out of depression is government spending, but it cant keep the economy alive by itself and the people on the top (who by the way arent paying taxes) are hording all the money they can get, which in the long run is probably going to cause America to slip into depression. So im just wondering what would it take to kind of wipe the slate clean, in a well established nation, and get rid bureaucratic nonsense so that something could actually change?
Just to get everyone else started, I personally feel that the only way anything of this sort can happen is if we do slip into depression. Which is extremely unfortunate because at this point any depression in a major nation will likely cause a global depression, which would lead to bloody revolution everywhere.
Is there any other way to go to avoid this?
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RE: what would it take to reform a government?
December 9, 2010 at 3:42 am
The american government is an absolute joke, not just because of the people who are in power at this time, but the system it's self is fundamentally flawed.
We have an MMP (mixed member proportional) system here in NZ, and the biggest parliamentary concerns we have is over MP's blowing their travel budgets 
Here the nation is divided in two ways, first by region in what would be most like the Representative system in the states, each district aims to be balanced through population and each elected rep gets a seat in Parliament.
Then there is the party vote, each voter gets to chose what party they believe best represents their ideologies. If a party gets over 5% of the party vote then they are qualified for the division of votes, the 120 Party seats are divided amongst the qualified parties based on how much of the vote they receive.
Oh, and saying that the solution is a depression is like saying the only way to fix my sprained wrist is to break it outright...
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RE: what would it take to reform a government?
December 9, 2010 at 6:19 am
A large pile of explosives placed under the <insert name of building where government meet here>
Ok, its not original, but i gets the job done.
Or do it the French way. Guillotine the rulers. Vive la revolution! Also its free entertainment for the masses!
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RE: what would it take to reform a government?
December 9, 2010 at 11:37 am
I'm working on this theory that revolution will never happen in America because overall genetically our forefathers were not the types who were hardwired to stand up and protect their home in their country of origin instead they just immigrated to America thereby allowing them to weep and wail about how terrible things were "at home" as well as weep and wail at the life of an immigrant to America. Whatever revolutionary "blood" this country began with it has been diluted, big time!
Now Americans can pretty much be known by their weep and wail genetic marker and their hell I'm too afraid to fight so I think I'll just mosey on over that border over there markers.
Absolutely a population pretty much inclined toward blind obedience.
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RE: what would it take to reform a government?
December 9, 2010 at 12:12 pm
Quote:I'm working on this theory that revolution will never happen in America
Really?
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RE: what would it take to reform a government?
December 9, 2010 at 12:27 pm
The first & biggest step to a non-violent reformation would be voting the Republicans & Democrats both completely out of power.
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RE: what would it take to reform a government?
December 9, 2010 at 1:24 pm
Good luck with that.
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RE: what would it take to reform a government?
December 9, 2010 at 2:43 pm
(This post was last modified: December 9, 2010 at 2:49 pm by lilyannerose.)
(December 9, 2010 at 12:12 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Quote:I'm working on this theory that revolution will never happen in America
Really?
History repeats.
I hope you are right, I'm pretty cynical since the Supreme Court anointed Georgie Boy as Prez, we wailed, we cursed, we made threats but George has himself eight years even with the strong probability of voter fraud in Ohio. Like I said that rebel blood has been pretty thinned.
(December 9, 2010 at 12:27 pm)Jaysyn Wrote: The first & biggest step to a non-violent reformation would be voting the Republicans & Democrats both completely out of power.
I'm all for one six year term for the President, the Senate and House. After that it's Thank you and Good Bye. With rotation of election cycles you'll still have experience and continuity. Second, limited capped fund raisng with the media offering public service (with commercial interruption) for debates. Third burn down K Street. Fourth, mandatory IQ tests - score must be three digits.
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RE: what would it take to reform a government?
December 9, 2010 at 3:52 pm
(December 9, 2010 at 2:43 pm)lilyannerose Wrote: I hope you are right, I'm pretty cynical since the Supreme Court anointed Georgie Boy as Prez, we wailed, we cursed, we made threats but George has himself eight years even with the strong probability of voter fraud in Ohio. Like I said that rebel blood has been pretty thinned.
It's not the American people who are spineless. It's the Democrat Party. The Republicans have no real opposition.
Some progressives bemoan the lack of liberals in American. As I've said elsewhere, if this is so, why are we pro-choice? The pro-choice movement has made a forceful case, not settled for moderate conservative. The rest of the liberal movement needs to take notes. The "run to the center" approach isn't working.
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RE: what would it take to reform a government?
December 9, 2010 at 3:54 pm
(December 9, 2010 at 3:52 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: (December 9, 2010 at 2:43 pm)lilyannerose Wrote: I hope you are right, I'm pretty cynical since the Supreme Court anointed Georgie Boy as Prez, we wailed, we cursed, we made threats but George has himself eight years even with the strong probability of voter fraud in Ohio. Like I said that rebel blood has been pretty thinned.
It's not the American people who are spineless. It's the Democrat Party. The Republicans have no real opposition.
Some progressives bemoan the lack of liberals in American. As I've said elsewhere, if this is so, why are we pro-choice? The pro-choice movement has made a forceful case, not settled for moderate conservative. The rest of the liberal movement needs to take notes. The "run to the center" approach isn't working.
And yet "The One" is appearing to be running to the center. Why? Cause liberal progressives got their butts kicked in the last election.
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