Peter Fonda Makes Vulgar Tweet Suggesting That Barron Trump Be Kidnapped

[Shell B]

It doesn't matter. Everyone knows what he was responding to. It doesn't change the ugly thing he said enough to even warrant mentioning it. It doesn't matter why he said it. We don't ever, in any kind of seriousness (and maybe even in a joke, though jokes get more leeway for me), say a kid should be raped. If you can't control yourself enough to not say that in public, you're not one of the good guys.

The left might not need good guys, right now..how has that been going? This is what I'm trying to stress.  It might actually need shitty people willing to do and say shitty things when that serves the cause of either truth or the country.  

Thats how the left found itself living in an alt-right hellscape to begin with.  The right found enough people with the will-to-do, the will-to-say.  Fair or not, good or not...it;s effective.  The lefts constant obsession with high ground might mean they;ve won some ridiculous culture war..but they did so at the expense of losing -everything- else.

If it takes shitty people doing shitty things, it's not good. It's not effective. The left looks like a bunch of slobbering lunatics, right along with the right. They're indistinguishable.

[A Theist]

So, because a young boy’s father is an asshole billionaire he deserves to have to read on social media that someone wants to put him in a cage with pedophiles?  This conversation shouldn’t be about Trump versus the left.  If it’s morally wrong to harm children in the name of a political agenda, then it is always wrong no matter the circumstances, becuse children are innocent.  Whether or not harming children is wrong shouldn’t be a matter of the degree of harm, or who their father is.

God, Barron’s dad is TRUMP.  Doesn’t he have it bad enough as it is?  Let’s not kick him while he’s down. 😏

I already fucking said the pedophile thing was going a little too far.  

But throwing him in a cage?  Perfectly fair to say.  That's exactly what his father's doing with other kids.  Of course, Trump wouldn't give a fuck unless it was Ivanka.  And even then he'd be okay with her being in a cage with pedophiles, as long as he was that pedophile, since he wants to fuck her so bad.

I mean how the fuck else are you supposed to try to make these fuckers understand?  They see the color of the children (Brown) and don't give a shit because they're racist fucks.  

Rich Fucks don't care about anything that doesn't effect their bottom line.

You say some of the stupidest shit.

[Amarok]

You say some of the stupidest shit.

And you are stupid shit

[The Grand Nudger]

If it takes shitty people doing shitty things, it's not good. It's not effective.

Tell that to the alt right.  Theyre in charge now, lol.  Looks like it worked from where I;m sitting.

The left looks like a bunch of slobbering lunatics, right along with the right. They're indistinguishable.

Oh come now, they;re distinguishable from each other even if they have some similarities..but wouldn;t they?  Theyre all americans.  I'll take a lunatic slobbering about how we shouldnt be caging children over a lunatic slobbering about how we should any day of the week...and lets not confuse which faction of slobbering lunatics Pete The Tweeter is oin, or the message he hoped to send, shall we?

Now..I hope that the lefts slobbering lunatics finally win out on this issue..and so many others (but certainly not all others)...because if they don;t..we can already see where the rights slobbering lunatics want to take this ship...and that is the nightmare scenario where the lunatics step aside and the quite and truly effective dooers start doiing what they do. Infinitely worse than tweets in every possible way..and ..wait for it..from Both Sides™.

[Amarok]

If it takes shitty people doing shitty things, it's not good. It's not effective. The left looks like a bunch of slobbering lunatics, right along with the right. They're indistinguishable.

That's some epic horseshoe nonsense .But whatever floats you centrist (or whatever new term you people made up this week ) boat

[Anomalocaris]

The office deserve as much respect as the system of which it is a part.  A system that can put a trump in that office will only be enabled and encouraged to do more unremediated damage if it continue to be accorded a formal respect as one that functioned adaquately.   Disrespecting the system now is the only chance there is to prompt the system to correct itself to the degree where it can begin to earn deserved respect again.     Otherwise The formal respect it no longer deserve would simply be a shield for those who robbed it of its respectability to hide behind to while continuing to use the system to do further damage.

The system deserves disrespect?  What Democracy?  Voting? Because that is the system that put Trump into office.  And I think a big reason for that happening, including the hidden surge of voters not seen in pre election polls, is the disrespect of that system aka the people that voted for Trump.  If you think continuing down that same path is going to work well come mid terms and 2020 I would strongly urge you to reconsider.

And again I'll say, the comments that came from Samantha Bee and Peter Fonda were not directed at Trump, the office, or "the system."  They were directed at his children.  Where in the past has it been remotely appropriate for any previous president's family to receive that kind of rampant hatred with no consequences?

You think if it has votes and you can pin the label “democracy” on a system then that system automatically becomes its own justification?

What exactly is this democracy and voting?   It is the system that works by rewarding the group or coalition that is most effective in disenfranchising those whose interests do not coincide with those of the group or coalition.   It is a system that works by pandering to the basest and most paranoid instincts of the electorate in order to correl the basest and most paranoid of the electorate into the service of those same groups and coalitions.   It is a system that claims justification from the alledged wisdom of the people while doing its utmost to pander to the urge of its people to be smug and satisfied with their own ignorance and stupidity.  

It’s a sausage with a sticker labeled democracy

What exactly is the justification of this sausage?  That there is voting and there is that sticker?  

Maybe if you think what is in the sausage and what effect there would be in eating it is less important than the sticker.

That may be a merely irresponsible point of view had the sausage not put a trump at the button controlling 1/2 of the world’s nuclear weapons.

This sausage with the sticker “democracy” on it has now by that strayed dangerously close to being a cynide pill not for just that “hidden surge” of voters, not just for Americans, but for much of humanity.

So “If you think continuing down that same path is going to work well come mid terms and 2020 I would strongly urge you to reconsider.”.   Reconsider what?   Let that surge of voter who has turn the sausage into something beginning to resemble a collective suicide pack not have another go?

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The left might not need good guys, right now..how has that been going? This is what I'm trying to stress.  It might actually need shitty people willing to do and say shitty things when that serves the cause of either truth or the country.  

Thats how the left found itself living in an alt-right hellscape to begin with.  The right found enough people with the will-to-do, the will-to-say.  Fair or not, good or not...it;s effective.  The lefts constant obsession with high ground might mean they;ve won some ridiculous culture war..but they did so at the expense of losing -everything- else.

If it takes shitty people doing shitty things, it's not good. It's not effective. The left looks like a bunch of slobbering lunatics, right along with the right. They're indistinguishable.

The problem is america has become so degenerate that anyone who is not a slobbery lunatic is perceived as weak, or even worse, something so bad it is as bad as what the right wing fring’s Bogeyman “socialist”.

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There is a huge difference between a hypothetical to make a point, and what Fonda said.

Saying something like "how would Trump feel if Barron was ripped from his mother's arms and thrown in a cage?" is a hypothetical to make a comparison with a real situation and try and enact some empathy from Trump and his followers.

What Fonda said was a borderline threat against the son of the President. In fact I'd call it an actual threat but with no real seriousness behind it.

I'm flabbergasted that it's anything but condemned in its entirety.

In the present atmosphere, the side that condemns its own gross excesses will be seen as weak and indecisive next  to the side the revels and extols in its.    If this has not been made clear in the previous 20 years, it should not still be unclear after 2016.


This is no longer the America of the Army McCarthy hearing where much abused but still existent sense of common decency can still overturn the power of the ruthless but crass opportunist. This is an America where any mea cupola is but another point for the other side in the final tally.

Only through the opposition refusing to learn this would trump stay in the whitehouse, to be followed by more trumps until this country becomes a cesspit on the edge of civil war.

[Brian37]

If it takes shitty people doing shitty things, it's not good. It's not effective.

Tell that to the alt right.  Theyre in charge now, lol.  Looks like it worked from where I;m sitting.

The left looks like a bunch of slobbering lunatics, right along with the right. They're indistinguishable.

Oh come now, they;re distinguishable from each other even if they have some similarities..but wouldn;t they?  Theyre all americans.  I'll take a lunatic slobbering about how we shouldnt be caging children over a lunatic slobbering about how we should any day of the week...and lets not confuse which faction of slobbering lunatics Pete The Tweeter is oin, or the message he hoped to send, shall we?

Now..I hope that the lefts slobbering lunatics finally win out on this issue..and so many others (but certainly not all others)...because if they don;t..we can already see where the rights slobbering lunatics want to take this ship...and that is the nightmare scenario where the lunatics step aside and the quite and truly effective dooers start doiing what they do.  Infinitely worse than tweets in every possible way..and ..wait for it..from Both Sides™.

This "Slobbering lunatic" doesn't want bigotry to spread. This "slobbering lunatic" doesn't want our environment destroyed. This "slobbering lunatic" doesn't want scientific facts denied.  And yes, it is pissing me off that kids are being caged like animals.  Yes this "leftist" is nothing like the far right. 

I don't see how wanting more peace and more equality, and clean air and water makes me a "lunatic". 

Yea I agree, there is only one party and their vile leader that are trying to drag us back into the stone age.

[Divinity]

Oh, the edginess. You don't know this kid or his life. For all you know, he's already been a victim. It's common enough. No one said he has it harder. It's just fucking dickish to say he should be locked in a cage with pedophiles. Fucking whatboutism. Who cares? Do you look at kids in wheelchairs and say "Boofuckingwho. Little Timmy has cancer. Did you think of that, you spoiled shit?" This kid was targeted by an adult who suggested he should get raped.


Oh, good. You followed up your who cares with "Well, he should have said pedophile, but still." Go fuck a kite? No one thinks they misheard you. You just sound retarded.

Oh, look at you, talking about me being "edgy" and then literally using 'retarded' as an insult.   Yeah, you can come down off your high horse any time.

[Amarok]

It is a profound question (and no i'm not defending the tweet ) at what point is the moral high ground become ineffectual ? At what point would it become untenable to maintain it ? In face of what ? Is it better to use bad means which has been point out DOES work for one group or to Do the contrary ?

[Anomalocaris]

It is a profound question (and no i'm not defending the tweet ) at what point is the moral high ground become ineffectual ? At what point would it become untenable to maintain it ? In face of what ? Is it better to use bad means which has been point out DOES work for one group or to Do the contrary ?

In today’s America, the only moral high ground is the political corpse of the enemy you are able to beat to the ground and climber up to standing on, and everyone who is not with you is a political enemy.   There is no “same team”.  There is no “common good”.  There is no “bipartisanship”, there is but the thinnest and most resented lip service to these.

If that hasn’t been clear since 1994, nor in 2000, nor yet during all of 2008-2016, then you have no business playing this game.