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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 4, 2018 at 7:05 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 6:08 pm)Succubus Wrote: (July 4, 2018 at 5:54 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: Those who wrote the New Testament. We have the churches the started in early Christianity, we have writing of the early Church that spoke of them. While there where some disputes in the authors of the New Testament, there is a lot of agreement as well. Every copy that we have of the Gospels, which is in tact eneough to have a title page or title at the top, all ascribe them to the same author. What type of evidence or historical method are you thinking of? How many people from the time, can meet these requirements? For that matter, how many today could?
For the umpteenth time, this is evidence for Christianity. It is not evidence for the existence of Jesus.
The question was asked, why nobody from the time called Jesus by name... which is what I answered. What type of evidence would you accept or expect? Perhaps your expectations are unrealistic.
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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 4, 2018 at 7:09 pm
Quote:The question was asked, why nobody from the time called Jesus by name... which is what I answered. What type of evidence would you accept or expect? Perhaps your expectations are unrealistic.
Translation your going to dodge the question
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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 4, 2018 at 7:14 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 7:05 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (July 4, 2018 at 6:08 pm)Succubus Wrote: For the umpteenth time, this is evidence for Christianity. It is not evidence for the existence of Jesus.
The question was asked, why nobody from the time called Jesus by name... which is what I answered. What type of evidence would you accept or expect? Perhaps your expectations are unrealistic.
Better question might be why did not the Greco-Romans ever hear about him until c 175AD? Celsus was the first we know of to mention any "jesus."
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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 4, 2018 at 7:21 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 7:05 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (July 4, 2018 at 6:08 pm)Succubus Wrote: For the umpteenth time, this is evidence for Christianity. It is not evidence for the existence of Jesus.
The question was asked, why nobody from the time called Jesus by name... which is what I answered. What type of evidence would you accept or expect? Perhaps your expectations are unrealistic.
Just a single reference would do; after all, if "his fame spread throughout the land", why did no dispassionate, neutral observers take notice?
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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 4, 2018 at 7:29 pm
It's true, though.
There is no historical reference to Jesus outside of biblical writings, no mention of Jesus during a history rife with other "real" figures.
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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 4, 2018 at 7:38 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 7:21 pm)Jehanne Wrote: (July 4, 2018 at 7:05 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: The question was asked, why nobody from the time called Jesus by name... which is what I answered. What type of evidence would you accept or expect? Perhaps your expectations are unrealistic.
Just a single reference would do; after all, if "his fame spread throughout the land", why did no dispassionate, neutral observers take notice?
I think the daily newspapers where on strike during that time! Either that or they where controlled by the left and fake news.
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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 4, 2018 at 7:39 pm
Lucian of Samosata, writing around 165 AD - roughly the same time as Justin was penning his First Apology to Antoninus Pius - in a work called "The Passing of Peregrinus" states:
Quote:The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day—the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account. … You see, these misguided creatures start with the general conviction that they are immortal for all time, which explains their contempt of death and voluntary self-devotion which are so common among them; and then it was impressed on them by their original lawgiver that they are all brothers, from the moment that they are converted, and deny the gods of Greece, and worship the crucified sage, and live after his laws. All this they take quite on faith, with the result that they despise all worldly goods alike, regarding them merely as common property.[2]
Lucian, The Passing of Peregrinus
Even in 165 he had a part of the story but not the name "jesus." Amusingly, it seems that his early xtians got over that "despising" of all worldly goods. Now the fuckers grab anything they can get their mitts on.
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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 4, 2018 at 7:41 pm
(July 4, 2018 at 7:29 pm)Kit Wrote: It's true, though.
There is no historical reference to Jesus outside of biblical writings, no mention of Jesus during a history rife with other "real" figures.
You should do some research! Josephus for instance does mention Jesus as per the OP
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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 4, 2018 at 7:41 pm
Quote:I think the daily newspapers where on strike during that time! Either that or they where controlled by the left and fake news.
Again dodging the question
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RE: Josephus and other contemporaries on Jesus
July 4, 2018 at 7:41 pm
Forgery is the best you can do, I see.
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