Star Trek (this can't be right)

[The Valkyrie]

This.

DS9 is still my favourite series, though Voyager and TNG are pretty good.

My favourite DS9 eps include "The Visitor", "Way of the Warrior", and the ep that I can never remember the title of where Sisko brings the Romulans into the war.

Best DS9 character is Garak, as far as I'm concerned.

Voyager was most pretty average with excellent episodes and others that are on par with TNG's "The Royale", "Shades of Grey", and "Skin of Evil" - bloody awful.

The best thing I can generally say about Enterprise is that the highlight of most shows is the end credits.

There was, however, a great two parter set in the mirror universe.  That was very well done.

But their way of playing fast ond loose with canon really bugged me.  They encountered the Borg and the Ferengi?

In defense of enterprise the Borg can be explained by time travel and the fact that the Federation simply may have not made the link between the Aliens the Enterprise encountered and the Borg or the documents were simply lost .

As for the Ferengi their never refer to themselves as the Ferengi and the stargazer never visually saw them

Yeah, but at least with the Borg, you'd think there would be mention somewhere in Federation records of an unknown species that could turn others species into copies of themselves.

Another thing that pissed me off about TNG was, as I mentioned, their philosophy of "peace at any cost".

A colony of 50,000 people is wiped out and the Enterprise is sent to make peaceful contact with the aluens who did it?

I don't see humans doing that no matter how enlightened we become.

[Amarok]

In defense of enterprise the Borg can be explained by time travel and the fact that the Federation simply may have not made the link between the Aliens the Enterprise encountered and the Borg or the documents were simply lost .

As for the Ferengi their never refer to themselves as the Ferengi and the stargazer never visually saw them

Yeah, but at least with the Borg, you'd think there would be mention somewhere in Federation records of an unknown species that could turn others species into copies of themselves.

Another thing that pissed me off about TNG was, as I mentioned, their philosophy of "peace at any cost".

A colony of 50,000 people is wiped out and the Enterprise is sent to make peaceful contact with the aluens who did it?

I don't see humans doing that no matter how enlightened we become.

1. As i said maybe the documents were lost or maybe (fan theory ) section 31 stole them 

2. Yeah but peaceful contact was made  and there was a resolution what's the alternative more deaths ?

[vulcanlogician]

Tiz, DS9 showed that utopia is not so easily accomplished. It added depth to Roddenberry's optimistic vision, without discarding it from the realm of possibility. Sometimes you need an anti-Picard because (sometimes) ideals must be fought for in the trenches. Sisko represented that part of the equation.

[Ravenshire]

DS9 remains the pinnacle of what Roddenberry's vision had to offer. I loved Voyager, but its pilot marked the beginning of an inevitable decline. I love Trek. But it's over. Tune in to reruns if you want to catch that feeling.

This.

DS9 is still my favourite series, though Voyager and TNG are pretty good.

My favourite DS9 eps include "The Visitor", "Way of the Warrior", and the ep that I can never remember the title of where Sisko brings the Romulans into the war.

Best DS9 character is Garak, as far as I'm concerned.

Voyager was most pretty average with excellent episodes and others that are on par with TNG's "The Royale", "Shades of Grey", and "Skin of Evil" - bloody awful.

The best thing I can generally say about Enterprise is that the highlight of most shows is the end credits.

There was, however, a great two parter set in the mirror universe.  That was very well done.

But their way of playing fast ond loose with canon really bugged me.  They encountered the Borg and the Ferengi?

(my bold)
You can thank "Star Trek: First Contact" for the Borg episode of Enterprise.

If fucking with canon pisses you off, best to avoid Discovery. Warp capable shuttles way before the "first" warp capable ship of that size, the Runabout. debuted in DS9. Ships with force fields instead of hanger bay doors. A drive capable of nearly instantaneous travel between any two points, no matter how far the distance (too bad the crew of Voyager had never heard of spore drives). The show seemed to have a new ret-con in every fucking episode.

Having said that, if you take it for what it is (and what it should have been), a new sci-fi franchise that simply borrows from Trek's legacy, it's actually a pretty good show.

[Ravenshire]

DS9 showed that utopia is not so easily accomplished.

Or, maintained. That fearing an enemy can be more destructive than the enemy itself and how that fear can lead to outcomes that are less than pleasant was the key point of the episode "Paradise Lost." That episode also had a guest appearance by Brock Peters as Joseph Sisko who also played Fleet Admiral Cartwright in "Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country."

That fourth season of DS9 was truly the pinnacle of all things Trek. Not a bad episode in the bunch.

[vulcanlogician]

This.

DS9 is still my favourite series, though Voyager and TNG are pretty good.

My favourite DS9 eps include "The Visitor", "Way of the Warrior", and the ep that I can never remember the title of where Sisko brings the Romulans into the war.

Best DS9 character is Garak, as far as I'm concerned.

Voyager was most pretty average with excellent episodes and others that are on par with TNG's "The Royale", "Shades of Grey", and "Skin of Evil" - bloody awful.

The best thing I can generally say about Enterprise is that the highlight of most shows is the end credits.

There was, however, a great two parter set in the mirror universe.  That was very well done.

But their way of playing fast ond loose with canon really bugged me.  They encountered the Borg and the Ferengi?

(my bold)
You can thank "Star Trek: First Contact" for the Borg episode of Enterprise.

If fucking with canon pisses you off, best to avoid Discovery. Warp capable shuttles way before the "first" warp capable ship of that size, the Runabout. debuted in DS9. Ships with force fields instead of hanger bay doors. A drive capable of nearly instantaneous travel between any two points, no matter how far the distance (too bad the crew of Voyager had never heard of spore drives). The show seemed to have a new ret-con in every fucking episode.

Having said that, if you take it for what it is (and what it should have been), a new sci-fi franchise that simply borrows from Trek's legacy, it's actually a pretty good show.

One of the things that turned me off from watching Discovery is its prequel-ness. It sounds like the writers were aching to write post-TNG scripts as much as fans were wanting to watch them played out. Missed opportunity.

[KevinM1]

Tiz, DS9 showed that utopia is not so easily accomplished. It added depth to Roddenberry's optimistic vision, without discarding it from the realm of possibility. Sometimes you need an anti-Picard because (sometimes) ideals must be fought for in the trenches. Sisko represented that part of the equation.

Like Sisko himself said, "It's easy to be a saint in paradise." Picard and crew hardly ever had to deal with morally ambiguous situations, and most conflicts were simply solved by pretty speeches because the Enterprise represented a force most others couldn't match. They didn't just have the moral advantage, but a technological advantage that allowed them their white tower.

I think that Sisko is one of the more interesting characters in all of Trek. Father, widower, tactically brilliant, cutthroat, passionate, wounded and strong, reluctant and skeptical religious figure.... Where Picard is a paragon, Sisko is a person.

That's not to say Picard is a bad character. Far from it.