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RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
July 26, 2018 at 7:33 pm
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Sure, let's draw some parallels between Jesus and other gods and famous characters before him:
Jesus is baptized by a holy man which resembles rituals to Babylonian god Oannes.
He turns water into wine at a wedding and beyond - a miracle popularly attributed to Bacchus/Dionysus.
Also like Dionysus he brings back dead to life and can walk in the world of the dead and was a god of resurrection.
The cult of Dionysus was suppressed by Rome and supposedly thousands of people were executed.
There is even a play about Dionysus "The Bacchae" where Dionysus appears before some king on charges of claiming divinity.
He could calm seas like Poseidon.
He heals the sick, like miriads of health deities (Asclepius, Apollo, Isis, Hygieia...).
Jesus was betrayed by 30 silver coins while Socrates for 30 minae.
He descends into hell and on the third day arises from the dead, like Attis.
He resurrected at the spring equinox and celebrated with rabbits and painted eggs like Eostre.
teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
July 26, 2018 at 7:35 pm
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(July 26, 2018 at 7:32 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: (July 26, 2018 at 7:24 pm)Khemikal Wrote: The notion of christ-as-savior actually comes from a dead christianity that asserted that Jesus was a god come to save us from OT Cunt-God.
Proto catholicism killed those motherfuckers for heretics. Kept their books, though. Useful.
Are you referring to certain non canonical gospels? Which ones? Already discussing terms-of-art.......aren't we? That's part of what's so fun about christianity...aside from the dragons.
Quote:I don't remember any that reflect that theology. I know of the gnostics.
Should you? They were burnt as heretics.....after all.
Quote:There is Marcion, now that I think of it, but unless you shift all of Paul's writings into the second century (which I am dubious of the viability of such a theory), then it doesn't really fit.
None of "Paul" could have come from the first century......so there's always that...........
The best we could say...assuming that every corrolary to a christin story was incidental...is that gods' unoriginal. Thats a deal breaker or it isn't//but to the contention in question...the originality of christianity.......it's a call to prayer, lol.
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RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
July 26, 2018 at 8:08 pm
(July 26, 2018 at 7:35 pm)Khemikal Wrote: (July 26, 2018 at 7:32 pm)JairCrawford Wrote: Are you referring to certain non canonical gospels? Which ones? Already discussing terms-of-art.......aren't we? That's part of what's so fun about christianity...aside from the dragons.
Quote:I don't remember any that reflect that theology. I know of the gnostics.
Should you? They were burnt as heretics.....after all.
Quote:There is Marcion, now that I think of it, but unless you shift all of Paul's writings into the second century (which I am dubious of the viability of such a theory), then it doesn't really fit.
None of "Paul" could have come from the first century......so there's always that...........
The best we could say...assuming that every corrolary to a christin story was incidental...is that gods' unoriginal. Thats a deal breaker or it isn't//but to the contention in question...the originality of christianity.......it's a call to prayer, lol.
Hmm, I'll make a thread on Paul.
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RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
July 26, 2018 at 8:12 pm
Good luck. As it so happens........theres nothing about "Paul" that screams anything -other- than literary convention. Thats two steps deep the babushka doll of christerism goes..for anyone counting at home.
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RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
July 26, 2018 at 8:35 pm
Hmm, I'll make a thread on Paul.
Good. Maybe you can get an answer to the Damascus problem.
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RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
July 26, 2018 at 9:00 pm
(July 26, 2018 at 8:24 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Has Christianity massively ripped off paganism ?
You better believe it has
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/11161
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13890
Other thoughts on parallels
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/294
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1151
thank you for interesting links.
where does the author get the idea that Jews found sex disgusting? I thought they loved sex
How beautiful and pleasant you are, O loved one, with all your delights! Your stature is like a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I say I will climb the palm tree and lay hold of its fruit. Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine, and the scent of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. It goes down smoothly for my beloved, gliding over lips and teeth. I am my beloved's, and his desire is for me.
~ Song of Solomon 7:6-12
I liked the parts where these old yahoodies tolchock each other and then drink their Hebrew vino, and getting onto the bed with their wives' handmaidens.
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RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
July 27, 2018 at 6:03 am
(July 26, 2018 at 9:00 pm)Graufreud Wrote: (July 26, 2018 at 8:24 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Has Christianity massively ripped off paganism ?
You better believe it has
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/11161
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/13890
Other thoughts on parallels
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/294
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/1151
thank you for interesting links.
where does the author get the idea that Jews found sex disgusting? I thought they loved sex
How beautiful and pleasant you are, O loved one, with all your delights! Your stature is like a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I say I will climb the palm tree and lay hold of its fruit. Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine, and the scent of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. It goes down smoothly for my beloved, gliding over lips and teeth. I am my beloved's, and his desire is for me.
~ Song of Solomon 7:6-12 Apparently history and art tell two different tales .But this isn't surprising after all lots of cultures that were sexual or romantically repressed wrote similar themes .
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RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
July 27, 2018 at 6:05 am
(July 27, 2018 at 6:03 am)Tizheruk Wrote: (July 26, 2018 at 9:00 pm)Graufreud Wrote: thank you for interesting links.
where does the author get the idea that Jews found sex disgusting? I thought they loved sex
How beautiful and pleasant you are, O loved one, with all your delights! Your stature is like a palm tree, and your breasts are like its clusters. I say I will climb the palm tree and lay hold of its fruit. Oh may your breasts be like clusters of the vine, and the scent of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. It goes down smoothly for my beloved, gliding over lips and teeth. I am my beloved's, and his desire is for me.
~ Song of Solomon 7:6-12 Apparently history and art tell two different tales .But this isn't surprising after all lots of cultures that were sexual or romantically repressed wrote similar themes .
I'm a bit confused about the respective genders of the people portrayed in said verse.
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RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
July 27, 2018 at 6:12 am
(July 27, 2018 at 6:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: (July 27, 2018 at 6:03 am)Tizheruk Wrote: Apparently history and art tell two different tales .But this isn't surprising after all lots of cultures that were sexual or romantically repressed wrote similar themes .
I'm a bit confused about the respective genders of the people portrayed in said verse. Indeed it sounds like the lover in question has both a dick and breasts
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RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
July 27, 2018 at 7:03 am
"It goes down smoothly for my beloved, gliding over lips and teeth. "
What goes down smoothly?
I liked the parts where these old yahoodies tolchock each other and then drink their Hebrew vino, and getting onto the bed with their wives' handmaidens.
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