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Is Christianity unique or not?
#31
RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
Most bullshit artists are.
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#32
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teachings of the Bible are so muddled and self-contradictory that it was possible for Christians to happily burn heretics alive for five long centuries. It was even possible for the most venerated patriarchs of the Church, like St. Augustine and St. Thomas Aquinas, to conclude that heretics should be tortured (Augustine) or killed outright (Aquinas). Martin Luther and John Calvin advocated the wholesale murder of heretics, apostates, Jews, and witches. - Sam Harris, "Letter To A Christian Nation"
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#34
RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
(July 26, 2018 at 6:30 am)Mathilda Wrote: Posted on TTA

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where did you get that information?

especially that Horus was crucified (by whom?) 

and 12 disciples? what disciples?
I liked the parts where these old yahoodies tolchock each other and then drink their Hebrew vino, and getting onto the bed with their wives' handmaidens.
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#35
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(July 26, 2018 at 8:00 am)Graufreud Wrote: where did you get that information?

especially that Horus was crucified (by whom?) 

and 12 disciples? what disciples?


As I said from another forum. I posted a link. No idea if it's true or not though as I don't know anything about Horus. Hence the reason why I posted the original link.

Seems plenty of controversy about it when googling it from pro-Xtian apologetic sites though.
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Seek strength, not to be greater than my brother, but to fight my greatest enemy -- myself.

Inuit Proverb

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#37
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The Horus/Jesus thing seems thin. Isis was married to Osiris, who was dead at the time Horus was conceived (but Isis used a golden phallus or the detached phallus of Osiris for task of impregnation). Not a virgin. There's no indication of the 'birthday' of Horus. No wise men were reputed to attend his birth. He was not depicted as having been from a land other than Egypt (Isis fled to the marshlands of the Nile to escape Set). He was home-schooled, like most gods, not educated in a temple. I don't know who the hell 'Anup the baptizer' is supposed to be, and there's no story of Horus being baptized. Or of any disciples. Or walking on water or raising the dead, though like any god, he was supposed to be able to perform miraculous feats, though his primary activity seemed to be tricking Set. No transfiguration. The titles are bullshit, he was Horus the Avenger, son of Osiris and Isis, sky god, falcon god, god of pharaohs, patron of Lower Egypt, Horus the Younger, Horus the Elder (may be two gods with the same name or he may have become Horus the Elder after winning a dispute with Set). He merged with Osiris to become Golden Horus Osiris, and there are stories where Isis brings Horus Osiris completely to life. but he wasn't very dead in the first place.

The Horus-Jesus connection seems to be mostly bunk.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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(July 26, 2018 at 10:27 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: The Horus/Jesus thing seems thin. Isis was married to Osiris, who was dead at the time Horus was conceived (but Isis used a golden phallus or the detached phallus of Osiris for task of impregnation). Not a virgin. There's no indication of the 'birthday' of Horus. No wise men were reputed to attend his birth. He was not depicted as having been from a land other than Egypt (Isis fled to the marshlands of the Nile to escape Set). He was home-schooled, like most gods, not educated in a temple. I don't know who the hell 'Anup the baptizer' is supposed to be,  and there's no story of Horus being baptized. Or of any disciples. Or walking on water or raising the dead, though like any god, he was supposed to be able to perform miraculous feats, though his primary activity seemed to be tricking Set. No transfiguration. The titles are bullshit, he was Horus the Avenger, son of Osiris and Isis, sky god, falcon god, god of pharaohs, patron of Lower Egypt, Horus the Younger, Horus the Elder (may be two gods with the same name or he may have become Horus the Elder after winning a dispute with Set). He merged with Osiris to become Golden Horus Osiris, and there are stories where Isis brings Horus Osiris completely to life. but he wasn't very dead in the first place.

The Horus-Jesus connection seems to be mostly bunk.

Thank you very much. Why (some) atheists want to discredit themselves with bullshit is beyond my understanding. 

As for Horus-Typhon connection

"Set[edit]

From apparently as early as Hecataeus of Miletus (c. 550 BC – c. 476 BC), Typhon was identified with Set, the Egyptian god of chaos and storms.[157] This syncretization with Egyptian mythology can also be seen in the story, apparently known as early as Pindar, of Typhon chasing the gods to Egypt, and the gods transforming themselves into animals.[158] Such a story arose perhaps as a way for the Greeks to explain Egypt's animal-shaped gods.[159] Herodotus also identified Typhon with Set, making him the second to last divine king of Egypt. Herodotus says that Typhon was deposed by Osiris' son Horus, whom Herodutus equates with Apollo (with Osiris being equated with Dionysus),[160] and after his defeat by Horus, Typhon was "supposed to have been hidden" in the "Serbonian marsh" (identified with modern Lake Bardawil) in Egypt."

There might have been some influence on Bible authors... and maybe not.

But why did Jesus have to run away to Egypt? Why not Parthian Empire?  
I liked the parts where these old yahoodies tolchock each other and then drink their Hebrew vino, and getting onto the bed with their wives' handmaidens.
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#39
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So maybe the story(ies) were not exactly copied. I don't think the whole son of god thing was original, let alone factual. Just myths repeating.
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#40
RE: Is Christianity unique or not?
Was Christianity in some sense original and unlike other bullshit circulating at the time, regardless of specifics? No. It didn't take a creative genius to think up most of the shit in Christianity, at least in the broad outlines.

This reminds me of the challenge in the Quran to produce a surah comparable to the divinely inspired surahs inside it. The supposed point being that if you can't produce a surah that would pass for an original, it proves that humans are incapable of composing the Quran and thus it must have had a divine source. I suspect the point is a similar point of pride for Christians, that the uniqueness of Christianity says something significant about its source as well as its value in human history. I don't find either to be likely a correct inference from the facts. Uniqueness isn't really a signature of anything unless in that uniqueness it is shown that the thing in question also posssesses unmistakable goods independent of its claimed uniqueness. Only then does it become remarkable, perhaps. Regardless, I don't think Christianity itself passes either test.
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