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After birth abortion?
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After birth abortion?
Okay guys I would like to know.. is this article biased in either direction prolife or prochoice, and whether its assertions that the conclusions made are truly based upon prochoice stance?
I guess I'm confused because the article sets up "alleged" pro-choice talking points and then says "after birth argument follows that line just a little bit more.."
Is this legitimately cohesive?

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and...cide_.html

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SCIENCE, TECHNOLOGY, AND LIFE.
MARCH 12 2012 11:14 AM

After-Birth Abortion
The pro-choice case for infanticide. William Saletan

[Image: 140153907.jpg.CROP.rectangle3-large.jpg]A Dutch baby born on Feb. 29, 2012

Photograph by Robin Utrecht/AFP/Getty Images.
Just when you thought the religious right couldn’t get any crazier, with its personhood amendments and its attacks on contraception, here comes the academic left with an even crazier idea: after-birth abortion.
No, I didn’t make this up. “Partial-birth abortion” is a term invented by pro-lifers. But “after-birth abortion” is a term invented by two philosophers, Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva. In the Journal of Medical Ethics, they :

Quote:[W]hen circumstances occur after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible. … [W]e propose to call this practice ‘after-birth abortion’, rather than ‘infanticide,’ to emphasize that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus … rather than to that of a child. Therefore, we claim that killing a newborn could be ethically permissible in all the circumstances where abortion would be. Such circumstances include cases where the newborn has the potential to have an (at least) acceptable life, but the well-being of the family is at risk.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#2
RE: After birth abortion?
I think most pro-choice people don't support abortion after a certain stage of the pregnancy.

All this article seems to do is attack the extremes (note that the author also attacks the religious right, who usually oppose abortion). I highly doubt many pro-choice people support after-birth abortion.
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#3
RE: After birth abortion?
Egad!
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#4
RE: After birth abortion?
Seems pro choice. The potential to have an acceptable life and then killed because the well being of the family is at risk.

So to summarise. Kill any family members that put the family at risk.

Dad:"hey kids mom is starting to drink a bit too much, lets kill her because we are gonna be at risk."
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#5
RE: After birth abortion?
This smells a little like bullshit sensationalism. I'll look up the paper
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.

Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.

Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.

Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.

Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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#6
RE: After birth abortion?
(August 1, 2018 at 2:18 am)vulcanlogician Wrote: Egad!

That's literally exactly what I said! 😅

(August 1, 2018 at 2:24 am)Lucanus Wrote: This smells a little like bullshit sensationalism. I'll look up the paper

Much appreciated, thank you.

(August 1, 2018 at 2:17 am)Tiberius Wrote: I think most pro-choice people don't support abortion after a certain stage of the pregnancy.

All this article seems to do is attack the extremes (note that the author also attacks the religious right, who usually oppose abortion). I highly doubt many pro-choice people support after-birth abortion.

You know, I'd normally agree. But lately I have had to do a double take. Did you know that aside from Saudi Arabia and Iran, the United States is the only other country where there are states with no set minimum age at which a child can be married? Even my own state of Colorado is one with zero minimum age requirements. 



If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#7
RE: After birth abortion?
Here's the full-text link, the paper is actually free.
https://jme.bmj.com/content/39/5/261.long

I gave it a quick skim as I'm a bit sleepy, but it doesn't look like a serious proposition, it's more of a devil's advocate kind of thing. I guess it's a good thing, after all it stimulates a reflection on the nature of personhood and stuff like that. It's all good
"Every luxury has a deep price. Every indulgence, a cosmic cost. Each fiber of pleasure you experience causes equivalent pain somewhere else. This is the first law of emodynamics [sic]. Joy can be neither created nor destroyed. The balance of happiness is constant.

Fact: Every time you eat a bite of cake, someone gets horsewhipped.

Facter: Every time two people kiss, an orphanage collapses.

Factest: Every time a baby is born, an innocent animal is severely mocked for its physical appearance. Don't be a pleasure hog. Your every smile is a dagger. Happiness is murder.

Vote "yes" on Proposition 1321. Think of some kids. Some kids."
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#8
RE: After birth abortion?
I too am sleepy. I'll check it out tomorrow, thank you so much for finding the paper! Goodnight. 🌛⭐🌚☇🌜
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!

Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite.

Dead wrong.  The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment.

Quote:Some people deserve hell.

I say again:  No exceptions.  Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it.  As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.

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#9
RE: After birth abortion?
Infants are gross though. And stupid! I mean come on, read a book already will ya? Damn toddler
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#10
RE: After birth abortion?
Not hard at all to find copious Scriptures that the Lord God Almighty himself is on board with this idea.


And that should be the last word on the subject.
 The granting of a pardon is an imputation of guilt, and the acceptance a confession of it. 




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