Posts: 28334
Threads: 114
Joined: February 22, 2011
Reputation:
159
RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 8, 2018 at 4:16 pm
(August 8, 2018 at 3:39 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote: (August 8, 2018 at 3:20 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: So in other words, your concern about the use of fetal tissue in experiments with mice stems from an objection to abortion and not any consent garbage, no?
Why can't it be both? I thought by posting the article about harvesting organs to see if there could some concern among pro-choice people that some types of abortions or abortion related actions are wrong, as a mirror image to how some pro-life people would be willing to make exceptions for rape and incest.
That was the point of the Socratic exercise, Neo, or weren't you paying attention?
Posts: 1715
Threads: 9
Joined: September 20, 2015
Reputation:
18
RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 8, 2018 at 5:05 pm
(August 5, 2018 at 6:22 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Sorry... it's an extremely sensitive and personal issue for me and my family. I shouldn't be on this thread, but couldn't help it. I appreciate your taking the time to share your thought processes and justifications for your feelings about this. It's something you certainly didn't have to do, especially given what you are saying here, and given that you are in a forum filled with heathens. 
This statement made me think a bit, for this is a very sensitive and personal issue for me and my family as well, since my sister had an illegal abortion in the 60s. I am forever grateful that she survived it because it could have gone pear-shaped easily. Her story was horrifying.
If The Flintstones have taught us anything, it's that pelicans can be used to mix cement.
-Homer Simpson
Posts: 29107
Threads: 218
Joined: August 9, 2014
Reputation:
155
RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 9, 2018 at 12:55 am
(This post was last modified: August 9, 2018 at 12:56 am by robvalue.)
(August 8, 2018 at 3:48 pm)RoadRunner79 Wrote: (August 8, 2018 at 3:34 pm)robvalue Wrote: I'm not sure if any pro-lifer has addressed this yet:
Does the fact that giving birth runs a higher risk of death for the mother than an abortion concern you? Is forcing the mother to risk her life in this way justified?
You are more likely to be hit by a car on the way there. Also the mortality rates for the little human is of more of a concern.
Okay, that is a strange way to dismiss putting someone's life in danger. Is that the benchmark then? It's okay to force people to do things, to protect the safety of another for which you consider them responsible, if you don't exceed the danger of them being run over?
Posts: 66329
Threads: 140
Joined: June 28, 2011
Reputation:
160
RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 9, 2018 at 12:57 am
Clearly, it's okay even then..as we already know that people -do- get run over when abortion is criminalized.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Posts: 29107
Threads: 218
Joined: August 9, 2014
Reputation:
155
RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 9, 2018 at 3:23 am
From what we saw earlier in the thread, RR would place the value of this unborn "human" at less then 0.1% of a regular human. Yet now the life of this unborn is of greater concern than the regular human. Why is that?
Posts: 18504
Threads: 79
Joined: May 29, 2010
Reputation:
125
RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 9, 2018 at 7:48 am
I am guilty of the mass murder of sperm, half human indeed, back when I switched right from left hand. Ah shit to the point of blisters. Old times.
Women only murder a n egg rougly once a month, bleedind and pain, the time men call the communist time of the month.
Weirdly, these anti abortion people only seem to care about the human being in the womb, while its inside. When it comes out both him and his mother are fucked.
Posts: 3709
Threads: 18
Joined: September 29, 2015
Reputation:
10
RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 9, 2018 at 8:13 am
(August 9, 2018 at 3:23 am)robvalue Wrote: From what we saw earlier in the thread, RR would place the value of this unborn "human" at less then 0.1% of a regular human. Yet now the life of this unborn is of greater concern than the regular human. Why is that?
I don't think that there are "regular humans" and lesser humans in this way; if that is what you are saying. This would be a misrepresentation of my views.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
Posts: 29107
Threads: 218
Joined: August 9, 2014
Reputation:
155
RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 9, 2018 at 8:41 am
(This post was last modified: August 9, 2018 at 8:43 am by robvalue.)
By regular human, I meant one that's already born. You saved the one regular ahead of 1,000 potential humans. How has the priority switched so much since that?
Posts: 3709
Threads: 18
Joined: September 29, 2015
Reputation:
10
RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 9, 2018 at 11:57 am
(August 9, 2018 at 8:41 am)robvalue Wrote: By regular human, I meant one that's already born. You saved the one regular ahead of 1,000 potential humans. How has the priority switched so much since that?
You still seem to be arguing a position that I do not hold.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
Posts: 3709
Threads: 18
Joined: September 29, 2015
Reputation:
10
RE: If you're pro-life, how far do you take that?
August 9, 2018 at 3:29 pm
(This post was last modified: August 9, 2018 at 3:30 pm by RoadRunner79.)
If in a similar scenario I would save my Mum, over you and 5 members of your family, it doesn’t mean that you are less human or have any less right to life, with which I can end on a whim.
It is said that an argument is what convinces reasonable men and a proof is what it takes to convince even an unreasonable man. - Alexander Vilenkin
If I am shown my error, I will be the first to throw my books into the fire. - Martin Luther
|
![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg)
