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Opioid epidemic continues unabated
#11
RE: Opioid epidemic continues unabated
(August 6, 2018 at 11:09 am)mh.brewer Wrote:
(August 6, 2018 at 8:09 am)Aroura Wrote: There is much transfer you in both directions. One of my girl scouts dad's was in a very bad car accident some years ago where he had a servere spinal injury. For years he could not walk at all and just recently he's found some water therapy that helps him. But he's in constant pain, and sure to doctors afraid to prescribe long term pain meds, he's been without for some time. Over a year now, at least. His family matches with signs saying their dad deserves quality of life! But I guess to many local docs are afraid of the long term consequences considering the epidemic. They don't look at his individual case.

Jor mentioned it and I will also. He needs to find a pain management center that knows how to deal with chronic pain.

Really?  You think they need to find a place that will help him get treatment for his problem?  Wow thanks!  I'm sure they hadn't thought of that or spent months (or longer) doing just that already. All of their problems are now solved.

Look, I know that came off super bitchy and sarcastic, but my point was that this is part of a systemic problem with American medicine.  It's not that they haven't tried.  I actually had this whole reasonable response typed up, but I was getting really frustrated explaining, and it's not even my family or my problem.  

It made me think, this woman and her children have been dealing with this pain management issue about their husband/father for a long time.  A LONG time. (his accident was over a decade ago, it's only in the last 1 to 2 years he's had a hard time getting pain meds). Their daily life revolves around taking care of him, at least in part. I cannot imagine trying to share this heartbreaking story and getting this kind of obvious, if well meaning, response on a regular basis.  I would want to strangle people. 

What I know is they have even gone out of state looking for help for him.  For whatever reason, doctors in their insurance group are unwilling to prescribe what he needs long term.  I know they have looked into everything they can, and their last option is to change the system itself, to force a doctor in their network to help, because their IS NO pain management enter they can afford that will treat him.

TLDR: well meaning comments can sounds super condescending and be an extra source of frustration for people who really don't need it.  IRL with people in actual crisis, think before you speak.
“Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?” 
― Tom StoppardRosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
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#12
RE: Opioid epidemic continues unabated
I just saw a stupid Tweet today from a lady claiming she saw someone stiffing coke in the streets of SF and ended it with "Thanks liberals".

I hope I pissed her off by mentioning the opoid crisis in WEST VIRGINIA.
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#13
RE: Opioid epidemic continues unabated
Lots of sicknesses and diseases in the world need a drug of some form to divert the painful feelings.
Instead of relieving the patients' pains, regulations and bans on the use of drugs is enforced, almost to an obsessive degree.

Drugs are sometimes the only way out of the pain. Not having any is more of a constant torture sentence, or worse: making the patient more prone to other destructive substances like cigarettes.

So many humans must get over the idea that "earth produces natural plants that give joy".
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#14
RE: Opioid epidemic continues unabated
(August 5, 2018 at 9:54 pm)vorlon13 Wrote: Do cops kill (as in illegally) as many people in a year as opiates do in a day ??

Probably*.... but the police are supposed to take prisoners.  Opioids aren't.



* Depends on how much stock you are willing to put in their excuses for shooting people.
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#15
RE: Opioid epidemic continues unabated
(August 6, 2018 at 12:28 pm)Aroura Wrote:
(August 6, 2018 at 11:09 am)mh.brewer Wrote: Jor mentioned it and I will also. He needs to find a pain management center that knows how to deal with chronic pain.

Really?  You think they need to find a place that will help him get treatment for his problem?  Wow thanks!  I'm sure they hadn't thought of that or spent months (or longer) doing just that already. All of their problems are now solved.

Look, I know that came off super bitchy and sarcastic, but my point was that this is part of a systemic problem with American medicine.  It's not that they haven't tried.  I actually had this whole reasonable response typed up, but I was getting really frustrated explaining, and it's not even my family or my problem.  

It made me think, this woman and her children have been dealing with this pain management issue about their husband/father for a long time.  A LONG time. (his accident was over a decade ago, it's only in the last 1 to 2 years he's had a hard time getting pain meds). Their daily life revolves around taking care of him, at least in part. I cannot imagine trying to share this heartbreaking story and getting this kind of obvious, if well meaning, response on a regular basis.  I would want to strangle people. 

What I know is they have even gone out of state looking for help for him.  For whatever reason, doctors in their insurance group are unwilling to prescribe what he needs long term.  I know they have looked into everything they can, and their last option is to change the system itself, to force a doctor in their network to help, because their IS NO pain management enter they can afford that will treat him.

TLDR: well meaning comments can sounds super condescending and be an extra source of frustration for people who really don't need it.  IRL with people in actual crisis, think before you speak.

OK, piss off then.
I don't have an anger problem, I have an idiot problem.
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#16
RE: Opioid epidemic continues unabated
(August 6, 2018 at 3:36 pm)mh.brewer Wrote:
(August 6, 2018 at 12:28 pm)Aroura Wrote: Really?  You think they need to find a place that will help him get treatment for his problem?  Wow thanks!  I'm sure they hadn't thought of that or spent months (or longer) doing just that already. All of their problems are now solved.

Look, I know that came off super bitchy and sarcastic, but my point was that this is part of a systemic problem with American medicine.  It's not that they haven't tried.  I actually had this whole reasonable response typed up, but I was getting really frustrated explaining, and it's not even my family or my problem.  

It made me think, this woman and her children have been dealing with this pain management issue about their husband/father for a long time.  A LONG time. (his accident was over a decade ago, it's only in the last 1 to 2 years he's had a hard time getting pain meds). Their daily life revolves around taking care of him, at least in part. I cannot imagine trying to share this heartbreaking story and getting this kind of obvious, if well meaning, response on a regular basis.  I would want to strangle people. 

What I know is they have even gone out of state looking for help for him.  For whatever reason, doctors in their insurance group are unwilling to prescribe what he needs long term.  I know they have looked into everything they can, and their last option is to change the system itself, to force a doctor in their network to help, because their IS NO pain management enter they can afford that will treat him.

TLDR: well meaning comments can sounds super condescending and be an extra source of frustration for people who really don't need it.  IRL with people in actual crisis, think before you speak.

OK, piss off then.

Big Grin It was given as sincere advice.  Was it unwelcome?  lol  Angel

(Also, Jor didn't say a thing about it, just a side note. I was puzzled why you said she did).

No need to freak out though, for real.  I really didn't mean to piss you off.  I was just trying to make a point.
“Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end?” 
― Tom StoppardRosencrantz and Guildenstern Are Dead
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