Ariana Grande being groped by a bishop in a church

[SaStrike]

That was painful to watch

[chimp3]

Aretha might have slapped him!

[EgoDeath]

I also agree that it looks inappropriate. But it’s not your place to tell a woman she’s a victim or not a victim. That’s her decision and her experience.

Let me repeat so you can get it through your head, this situation seems very wrong to me, from my point of view. But that’s all I can comment on is my point of view.

So like I said, I will reserve a final answer judgement on this particular situation until Grande speaks on it herself, as the woman who was actually going through this.

Personally I would never touch a woman like this unless I knew for sure she was comfortable with it. And even then I wouldn’t hold a woman like that on national television.

Where did you get this victim rule ? I've never heard anything as silly.

Either it was inappropriate, or it was not. It is inappropriate to hold a women you clearly don't know in such a way that you fingers are constantly rubbing against her breast as she moves away from you, Whether or not it's on national TV or not is irrelevant.

Some women choose not to call themselves victims in situations like this. Maybe she doesn’t feel it was inappropriate. In that case you’re choosing to define for another adult what touching is and isn’t inappropriate.

Once again, I feel it was inappropriate. So do many others, obviously. But it’s not really my place to decide.

That’s sort of like if an incident happened at a party where a girl felt she was sexually assaulted. Can you be the one to decide she wasn’t? I mean, unless it’s a flat out fabrication, a girl saying she was sexually assaulted means it happened. You can’t decide that for another human being.

You are expressing YOUR view but you can’t express the views of others for them.

[Whateverist]

Creepy. But then he is a man of the cloth, so not too surprising.

[Minimalist]

So who is she?  I don't feel like googling it.

[possibletarian]

Some women choose not to call themselves victims in situations like this. Maybe she doesn’t feel it was inappropriate. In that case you’re choosing to define for another adult what touching is and isn’t inappropriate.

Okay let's try this again, what do you think Ariana Grande could say that would make it appropriate ?

Once again, I feel it was inappropriate. So do many others, obviously. But it’s not really my place to decide.

But you already have, the fact that you hide behind 'it's not for me to decide' does not alter the fact you have already deemed it inappropriate.

That’s sort of like if an incident happened at a party where a girl felt she was sexually assaulted. Can you be the one to decide she wasn’t? I mean, unless it’s a flat out fabrication, a girl saying she was sexually assaulted means it happened. You can’t decide that for another human being.

Yes, but how does this relate ? This is not a matter of opinion, if people saw what happened (in this case a world audience) then the matter is put beyond opinion.

You are expressing YOUR view but you can’t express the views of others for them.

Well yes, i suspect if I lived in a world where touching women on their private parts was the norm and not frowned upon and women agreed, then I would clearly be out of step. However we no longer live in a world where such touching is appropriate (neither do you) so again, what could Ariana Grande say do you feel, that would make this appropriate ?

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So who is she?  I don't feel like googling it.

Don't feel bad, I had not heard of her before the Manchester bombing.
https://www.arianagrande.com/

[EgoDeath]

I’ll refer you to my earlier posts In case you get the urge to read what I’ve said on the subject

[possibletarian]

I’ll refer you to my earlier posts In case you get the urge to read what I’ve said on the subject

Fair enough. But what could she say that would make it appropriate ?

Someone can choose not to have a victim mentality. But how does that change its appropriateness ?

[Fake Messiah]

So who is she?  I don't feel like googling it.

She is just a girl who wears short skirts and he is a man of cloth with $36 million church and many sheep underneath his imaginary staff. So you can imagine who has the advantage here.

[Jehanne]

Reminds me of something that Jerry Lewis would have done.