Saudi journalist killed and hacked inside Saudi embassy in Istanbul

[The Grand Nudger]

Then change the pattern, if that's why life sucks.  Specifically with regard to the OP, change your system of government - or it will keep hacking up dissidents in a laughably incompetent way. Now, the US loves us some regime change..but..honestly, even if it were a phenomenally good idea (and it's not)..I don't know that we could help with that right now (and you certainly don't seem open to the notion, anyway, lol).

[Minimalist]

Mechanical processes don't exist without a designer shaping them up.

Life is not a mechanical process.  Life is a biological process and humans keep doing the same shit over and over.  That's not design.  It's lack of imagination.

[WinterHold]

Then change the pattern, if that's why life sucks.  Specifically with regard to the OP, change your system of government - or it will keep hacking up dissidents in a laughably incompetent way.  Now, the US loves us some regime change..but..honestly, even if it were a phenomenally good idea (and it's not)..I don't know that we could help with that right now (and you certainly don't seem open to the notion, anyway, lol).

Changing governments anywhere in the Middle East requires immense strength, a historical revolution in every aspect. Every time the people want to revolt against an Arab dictator; western rich fucks come to his aid; some sell the dictator weapons; others provide him with mercenaries to fight off the revolt, others use the western media to clean and clear the dictator's name abroad.

That is one heavy brick to move. So you picture it as if it was "so simple", but the price to be payed in exchange of changing Arab dictators is so so big.

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Mechanical processes don't exist without a designer shaping them up.

Life is not a mechanical process.  Life is a biological process and humans keep doing the same shit over and over.  That's not design.  It's lack of imagination.

Biology is nothing but giving the "mechanical process" a soul.
That's why robots with artificial legs can move and look just like humans (even if for a moment or two only). If you have enough technology, the mechanical and biological are identical.

[The Grand Nudger]

Changing governments anywhere in the Middle East requires immense strength, a historical revolution in every aspect. Every time the people want to revolt against an Arab dictator; western rich fucks come to his aid; some sell the dictator weapons; others provide him with mercenaries to fight off the revolt, others use the western media to clean and clear the dictator's name abroad.

IKR, it's almost like the middle east is full of assholes holding their hands out for money to crush the dissidents with....all the time..or something!

That is one heavy brick to move. So you picture it as if it was "so simple", but the price to be payed in exchange of changing Arab dictators is so so big.

Sure, sure..it's a heavy lift.  Obviously that's why we don't do it as often as we might like, too.  It's cheaper to keep her.  It is the solution to the problem, however. I think we agree there? You surely don't expect that changing out the person in the dictators funny hat will amount to societal improvement. I'm even willing to go out on a limb and say that you understand completely well how sectarian governments fail. What you want for your future and what I would wish for your future are the same things....don't you think?

If you woke up tomorrow, and kSA was Canadia in the desert, that'd be kosher, right?

[Angrboda]

Then change the pattern, if that's why life sucks.  Specifically with regard to the OP, change your system of government - or it will keep hacking up dissidents in a laughably incompetent way.  Now, the US loves us some regime change..but..honestly, even if it were a phenomenally good idea (and it's not)..I don't know that we could help with that right now (and you certainly don't seem open to the notion, anyway, lol).

Changing governments anywhere in the Middle East requires immense strength, a historical revolution in every aspect. Every time the people want to revolt against an Arab dictator; western rich fucks come to his aid; some sell the dictator weapons; others provide him with mercenaries to fight off the revolt, others use the western media to clean and clear the dictator's name abroad.

Yeah, it wouldn't have anything to do with them being supported by the people in their countries, would it?

[Minimalist]

Biology is nothing but giving the "mechanical process" a soul.

Souls are products of the human imagination just like gods.  Fairy tales are for children, Atlas.

[WinterHold]

Changing governments anywhere in the Middle East requires immense strength, a historical revolution in every aspect. Every time the people want to revolt against an Arab dictator; western rich fucks come to his aid; some sell the dictator weapons; others provide him with mercenaries to fight off the revolt, others use the western media to clean and clear the dictator's name abroad.

IKR, it's almost like the middle east is full of assholes holding their hands out for money to crush the dissidents with....all the time..or something!

That is one heavy brick to move. So you picture it as if it was "so simple", but the price to be payed in exchange of changing Arab dictators is so so big.

Sure, sure..it's a heavy lift.  Obviously that's why we don't do it as often as we might like, too.  It's cheaper to keep her.  It is the solution to the problem, however.  I think we agree there?  You surely don't expect that changing out the person in the dictators funny hat will amount to societal improvement.  I'm even willing to go out on a limb and say that you understand completely well how sectarian governments fail.  What you want for your future and what I would wish for your future are the same things....don't you think?

If you woke up tomorrow, and kSA was Canadia in the desert, that'd be kosher, right?

Europe and the west was in our shoes exactly; and had two world wars -that caused legendary casualties- followed by a series of wars ongoing until now. Arabs and Muslims are 100 million life behind the west.

Canada proved to be a better country than KSA in terms of human rights. It's a place I look forward to go to. And just to repeat and stress: justice is the main reason I carry that respect to countries like Canada.

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Changing governments anywhere in the Middle East requires immense strength, a historical revolution in every aspect. Every time the people want to revolt against an Arab dictator; western rich fucks come to his aid; some sell the dictator weapons; others provide him with mercenaries to fight off the revolt, others use the western media to clean and clear the dictator's name abroad.

Yeah, it wouldn't have anything to do with them being supported by the people in their countries, would it?

They are supported by a "portion" of the people, doesn't even equate to all.
Usually it is fear that make millions submit.

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Biology is nothing but giving the "mechanical process" a soul.

Souls are products of the human imagination just like gods.  Fairy tales are for children, Atlas.

By a "soul" here I meant "style/decoration"; I wasn't referring to the human soul. Accept my apology.
In other words; Biology is a "special type of mechanical processes".

[WinterHold]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/26/middl...index.html

Erdogan demands Saudi Arabia reveal the location of Jamal Khashoggi's body

By Nimet Kirac and Laura Smith-Spark, CNN

It took a lot; but glad that Saudia is exposed like this, it is official now that they tortured and killed Jamal.
I hope the Turks and Erdogan keep the pressure, and ignore attempts of bribery.

[The Grand Nudger]

IKR, it's almost like the middle east is full of assholes holding their hands out for money to crush the dissidents with....all the time..or something!

Sure, sure..it's a heavy lift.  Obviously that's why we don't do it as often as we might like, too.  It's cheaper to keep her.  It is the solution to the problem, however.  I think we agree there?  You surely don't expect that changing out the person in the dictators funny hat will amount to societal improvement.  I'm even willing to go out on a limb and say that you understand completely well how sectarian governments fail.  What you want for your future and what I would wish for your future are the same things....don't you think?

If you woke up tomorrow, and kSA was Canadia in the desert, that'd be kosher, right?

Europe and the west was in our shoes exactly; and had two world wars -that caused legendary casualties- followed by a series of wars ongoing until now. Arabs and Muslims are 100 million life behind the west.

You were in ww2 you fuckin dolt, on the side of the nazis...cuz jews, and some things never change, lol. You need to stop this constant externalization.

[Minimalist]

Do you suppose we could get the WLB to visit the Saudi embassy in Istanbul?