Lying for God

[WinterHold]

[purplepurpose]

Simon Moon, you asked some good questions (the first two).

I have to get to details on them. God can communicate only through a veil directly to a person which would make the person the veil or through an Agent.


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The Angelic realities are not easy to discern, to see them as truthful is not easy when you aren't familiar with them, and to discern falsehood from truth is anything but easy.


God's proof in all realms remains the same, and in this world, there is a human who is that proof.

Yeah...

It would be nice if you could demonstrate ANY of the above.

All I see is unsupported assertion after another.

Not sure why I expected anything else.

Logic and YOLO is for the pussies according to theists attitude, real men embrace God's eternal life possibility.

[WinterHold]

Remember also, "tree" is used a metaphor through out Quran, for example the example of a blessed word, also the light verse says it's lit from a blessed olive tree, neither east nor west, and so on and so forth.

No. A tree is not a metaphor in here also; this is the original verse:

Sura 24, The Quran:
Sahih International

(35) Allah is the Light of the heavens and the earth. The example of His light is like a niche within which is a lamp, the lamp is within glass, the glass as if it were a pearly [white] star lit from [the oil of] a blessed olive tree, neither of the east nor of the west, whose oil would almost glow even if untouched by fire. Light upon light. Allah guides to His light whom He wills. And Allah presents examples for the people, and Allah is Knowing of all things.

When you "kindle" something using a "tree"; then you used the "tree" as a source of fuel.
Ancient people knew that, and obviously there was many ancient sources for fire including wood from trees or oil from trees (like the one mentioned in this verse) and also "coal"; also "stone", even "people".

[Mystic]

[WinterHold]

[Mystic]

[WinterHold]

No. This is not speaking about the Quran. These are Shiite Hadiths, and the source is a Shiite source. There is not even a single Quranic verse.

This is not Islam; this is Shiite twelver texts. There is no Quran in it.

There was plenty verses from Quran quoted as well as hadiths, as well Biblical verses.

No. There are none.

Please quote them.

[Mystic]

“And those who believed and did righteous deeds will be admitted to gardens beneath which rivers flow, abiding eternally therein by permission of their Lord; and their greeting therein will be, "Peace!" Have you not considered how Allah presents an example, [making] a good word like a good tree, whose root is firmly fixed and its branches [high] in the sky? It produces its fruit all the time, by permission of its Lord. And Allah presents examples for the people that perhaps they will be reminded. And the example of a bad word is like a bad tree, uprooted from the surface of the earth, not having any stability.” (14:24-26)

[Deesse23]

[WinterHold]

Okay. Very nice hiding that verse in English between the lines.

But the word "like" is used to say "explicitly" that this is an example given with a tree.
How does that relate to saying that "a tree" is not actually a "tree"?