HELL or not HELL?

[Little Rik]

There is a type of envy that is so dark in nature, so evil, it merits hell. The Quran has shown how and exposes that these people are willing to bring the whole world to chaos and spread corruption and evil in the land instead of accepting the chosen tree of light, it's root builder and it's branches, and it's fruits.

This evil tree of envy, whoever holds on to in the inward kingdom and supports it's deceivers and heads in the outward kingdom,  and holds on to it after clear proofs, and holds on their lustful hate and envy, after the path has been made clear, they are deserving of hell, because their way is to never accept proofs and only rebel out of envy and hate and rebellion to God's chosen.

They will confuse themselves with all sorts of conjecture before accepting the plain and manifest proofs.

Such people who are willing to kill the people commanding justice and kill the favorites of God and best of his creation,  are the utmost of evil.

If utmost of evil are not punished, and God forgives and forbears much regarding those who proofs have not come to them and who don't have an ounce of hatred towards God's chosen but find no way to believe or reject.

If the utmost of evil are not punished and are rewarded with paradise - despite their stubborn nature to God's proofs and hate towards to the height of goodness in humans,  despite the chaos they wish to unless on humanity and the degree of evil they did to prevent God's chosen to ruling humanity,  and out of envy tried to deny the existence of such authorities despite clear evidence they been shown.....

If such people God treats them well, then what is the purpose of Anger and hate towards evil? What is the purpose of loving good, if we love evil all the same!

What's the purpose of rewarding and appreciating good acts, if we will reward and appreciate evil all the same!

Forbearance is key part of everyone life, but when a human choose hate and envy towards God's chosen,  they took the worst of evil, a low point, which God will only forgive if a person let goes of it, repents and then is guided to the truth of those who hold the authority, the chosen Guiding Kings.

Yemen shows the degree they are willing to oppress,  and they have no shame, and there is more evil they would go to the lengths of, for their lustful desires and dark perceptions of enlightenment.

The illuminati are to be in hell forever, they and those who hold to them whence they prefer their deception knowingly or heedlessly when proofs of God from his Messengers have been shown, and turn aside from following God's signs and proofs and leaders who guide by his command.

The killers of the Prophets of old, and killers of Hussain, cannot go to heaven.

Such hate, such envy, such darkness and rebellion, they deserve hell.

You don't have to look past Yemen to know all the niceness of the west, is but a deceitful act they trick themselves with, while they are willing to go that much evil to keep their power and to serve their evil Agenda.

Well, well, well ...............it seems that God did a lot of mistakes in his creation.

We got evil of all kind which according to you deserve hell so God must have done a lot of mistakes.
Do you really think that God can make mistakes that at a later stage can only be eliminated by dumping them in the trash bin called hell?

Would you really throw your son that did mistakes in hell?  

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Evidence?

Sure yog.  
I am still waiting   for your evidence that there is no God, that there is only one life, that when the body die also the consciousness die, that the consciousness that we have is not the fruit of our work but come through the evolution of previous generations, that the consciousness is the product of the brain and so on...........

When will you produce this evidence yog?

Can I hope that will come before Christmas?
Possibly this Christmas yog not in ten years time.
Can you?  

So, in other words, you got nothing.  Thanks for the conversation, Rik.  It's been a slice.

Just the opposite darl.  

I got the evidence of doctors, of independent witness and most of all the evidence of ex atheists that are now total believers.

What about you yog?
What evidence you got to support your beliefs that I mention in the previous post?  

[Angrboda]

So, in other words, you got nothing.  Thanks for the conversation, Rik.  It's been a slice.

Just the opposite darl.  

I got the evidence of doctors, of independent witness and most of all the evidence of ex atheists that are now total believers.

I assume that you're referring to NDEs. You claimed five things:

1. Christians have it wrong.
2. Hell is not eternal.
3. Jesus' original message did not include an eternal hell.
4. He was teaching the same as Buddha, Shiva, and Krishna.
5. Christians have lost the original message of God and Jesus.

First, NDEs include accounts that both include support for Hell and the original question as well as support for other views. The only way you get a clear message from NDEs is by cherry picking which ones to consider reflect the truth about God and reality, and ignore the ones that don't, or reinterpret them through your religious filter. The first is not sound logically, so such evidence is not valid. The second is basing the interpretation of the evidence upon your beliefs, which themselves are based on the interpretation of that evidence, and so is circular and also invalid. So your NDEs aren't evidence for any of these things. Second, the evidence that NDEs describe something real is equivocal, and the evidence they provide for something real only relates to the OBE portion of an NDE. The rest may be bullshit. Since there's no evidence that the portion of NDEs which supports your claims is real, they are not evidence for your claims. As I said, you got nothing. Moreover NDEs aren't evidence of nos. 3,4, and 5. So even if your NDE evidence were valid, it would only acquit half of your claims. And, as noted, conversions after an NDE are only evidence of belief in a profound experience, not evidence that the substance of that experience is real.

What about you yog?
What evidence you got to support your beliefs that I mention in the previous post?

Already answered at least twice and not relevant to this thread. That you don't remember is only evidence that you are incapable of learning.

[Little Rik]

Just the opposite darl.  

I got the evidence of doctors, of independent witness and most of all the evidence of ex atheists that are now total believers.

I assume that you're referring to NDEs.  You claimed five things:

1. Christians have it wrong.
2. Hell is not eternal.
3. Jesus' original message did not include an eternal hell.
4. He was teaching the same as Buddha, Shiva, and Krishna.
5. Christians have lost the original message of God and Jesus.

First, NDEs include accounts that both include support for Hell and the original question as well as support for other views.  The only way you get a clear message from NDEs is by cherry picking which ones to consider reflect the truth about God and reality, and ignore the ones that don't, or reinterpret them through your religious filter.  The first is not sound logically, so such evidence is not valid.  The second is basing the interpretation of the evidence upon your beliefs, which themselves are based on the interpretation of that evidence, and so is circular and also invalid.  So your NDEs aren't evidence for any of these things.  Second, the evidence that NDEs describe something real is equivocal, and the evidence they provide for something real only relates to the OBE portion of an NDE.  The rest may be bullshit.  Since there's no evidence that the portion of NDEs which supports your claims is real, they are not evidence for your claims.  As I said, you got nothing.  Moreover NDEs aren't evidence of nos. 3,4, and 5.  So even if your NDE evidence were valid, it would only acquit half of your claims.

Failed once again yog.  

How can you blame me of cherry picking when the percentage of those who claimed to see hell is 1 or 2%?
Obviously this tiny minority didn't have a real NDE.    

What about you yog?
What evidence you got to support your beliefs that I mention in the previous post?  

Already answered at least twice and not relevant to this thread.  That you don't remember is only evidence that you are incapable of learning.

Answering is one thing.
Produce evidence is a different story.
Since you never produce any evidence to back up your beliefs then it means that all these beliefs are a load of BS that can only be found in your fantasy-brain.  

[LastPoet]

Since you never produce any evidence to back up your beliefs then it means that all these beliefs are a load of BS that can only be found in your fantasy-brain.  

If anyone heard a story of a bomb going off in portugal, It was not terrorism, just my irony meter that has blown again.

[Mystic]

Rik, there is a place for justice whence you reward goodness with more goodness, and there is a place for pardon and compassion whence you forgive the sins, and there is a place for vengeance and punishment.

If everyone deserved forgiveness, we would never hesitate to forgive anyone, it would be automatic.  But forgiveness has it's place, forbearance has it's place, and so do vengeance, hate, and wrath.

Nothing we have is evil in itself.

And if it was me as Creator, I would have it that is care bear lala land with no evil on earth, but I don't have the wisdom the designer nor his patience nor his resolve to see us as better humans, nor am the one who has the right to try his creation nor do I see them as they are and know them to know exactly the degree of punishment they deserve.

And son and daughter is more appropriate for creation to talk in terms of, in that, we prefer love and compassion to them then giving them into justice. Like we would protect our son if we knew he stole something, not give him into the authorities. 

But God is such that no atom's worth of evil does he make a soul not accounted for with nor an atom's worth of good goes without appreciation, and he tries us, to know which one of us is best in action and he will come to know the patient and those who strive.

No one - including God - expected Adam to fall,  Iblis was boasting he would lead us all astray, but I think he didn't have much hope of misguiding Adam.

We live a tragic fallen world, which tragedy after tragedy, and culture of spreading evil insincerity to God and one another and the truth, has spread.

We patiently wait - in these days - but the oppressors and their helpers and those who watch by - they must pay the price.

[The Valkyrie]

Since you never produce any evidence to back up your beliefs then it means that all these beliefs are a load of BS that can only be found in your fantasy-brain.  

If anyone heard a story of a bomb going off in portugal, It was not terrorism, just my irony meter that has blown again.

(P)rik can actually make this statement in the face of all the bullshit he claims.

Wow!

[Fidel_Castronaut]

Evidence or GTFO.



Evidence or GTFO.

Evidence?

Sure yog.  
I am still waiting   for your evidence that there is no God, that there is only one life, that when the body die also the consciousness die, that the consciousness that we have is not the fruit of our work but come through the evolution of previous generations, that the consciousness is the product of the brain and so on...........

When will you produce this evidence yog?

Can I hope that will come before Christmas?
Possibly this Christmas yog not in ten years time.
Can you?  

[Nay_Sayer]

Let this serve as a memorial.

Dearly beloved (And MK) we are gathered here to mourn the loss of Lil Rik *giggle*.

Alright, I knew I wasn't going to make it through that, I've set up a punch bowl, a buffet table and a moon bounce for your enjoyment.

let the party commence.

[Amarok]

Let this serve as a memorial.

Dearly beloved (And MK) we are gathered here to mourn the loss of Lil Rik *giggle*.

Alright, I knew I wasn't going to make it through that, I've set up a punch bowl, a buffet table and a moon bounce for your enjoyment.

let the party commence.

I brought twister

[outtathereligioncloset]

Let this serve as a memorial.

Dearly beloved (And MK) we are gathered here to mourn the loss of Lil Rik *giggle*.

Alright, I knew I wasn't going to make it through that, I've set up a punch bowl, a buffet table and a moon bounce for your enjoyment.

let the party commence.

I brought twister

Is it Naked Twister?