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Jesus suffering vs eternal suffering of temporary sinners
#71
RE: Jesus suffering vs eternal suffering of temporary sinners
(November 19, 2018 at 2:27 pm)tackattack Wrote: That is the only choice, keep heathens out of the themepark. The compulsion is the paradox of no longer having a choice. Creation of place A necessitates there's a non-A place for A to be a place in the first place.
-but doesn't necessitate that this "non-a" place be a lava cesspit.  That one's on god.  

Quote:Not choosing is still a choice and the onus is on individuals with volition for their choices or lack therof
If you say so...but I didn't have anything to do with the creation of the lava cesspit..so it hardly matters. 

Quote:I really am open. I first have a commitment to myself and flush out any irrational, bigoted or non-congruent thoughts. My faith has to do with evidence and experience. It doesn't excuse anything and I may not understand everything, or subjectively morally agree with everything, it's perfectly fine to question God. The Bible has many examples about it, and I try and do it when necessary, if not often. If you believe Creating Hell is immoral, please cite some reasons that have not been rebutted or answer some rebuttals. I'm still having trouble seeing your side of it and would like some assistance.
I believe that you sincerely believe that.  I've already cited reasons that creating a lava cesspit is immoral.  You've only contended that it's not immoral, in gods case at least, because I make choices..and there just had to be some non-a place...or something.

Honestly, what else is there to say?  I hold imaginary gods to the same moral standards that I hold men, in these discussions. The exercise is clearly academic, there is no god, and no lava cesspit. If I'd throw a guy in the clink for criminal negligence (and that's the generous assessment of what was done)...then it's a matter of simple consistency in the case of the divine.
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#72
RE: Jesus suffering vs eternal suffering of temporary sinners
OK I believe we are in agreement on for having a choice for place A it necessitates a place B. I agree with your point that it doesn't necessitate the type of place B can be. We could have a Heaven for Believers and a Heaven for non-believers I suppose. I believe we also can agree that choice put the onus on the individual, not the creator.
I understand your point regarding criminal negligence and holding God to the same standards as men. We'll just have to disagree on methodology then and I appreciate the discourse.
"There ought to be a term that would designate those who actually follow the teachings of Jesus, since the word 'Christian' has been largely divorced from those teachings, and so polluted by fundamentalists that it has come to connote their polar opposite: intolerance, vindictive hatred, and bigotry." -- Philip Stater, Huffington Post

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#73
RE: Jesus suffering vs eternal suffering of temporary sinners
Yeah no worries, sometimes it just helps to know where the other guy is coming from, even if it's never going to produce any agreement.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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