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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 10:10 pm
(November 20, 2018 at 11:02 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Right now, ONLY men have to register, (in the US) when they are 18, or they can't get student loans or government employment.
Yeah, they still do that. Only men.... blatant discrimination. The first thing that has to happen, is that everyone should do something.
They don't then, have to all volunteer for combat.
You're conflating selective service/ conscription with volunteering to serve.
But, sure, I'm in favor of having women required to register for selective service when they're 18. The US hasn't had a draft in over 40 years and it has little chance of being resurrected so it would be symbolic, anyway.
It could, however, help women gain equality in other arenas of US society and it's about damn time for that. So yeah, bring on selective service.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 10:16 pm
(November 20, 2018 at 10:10 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: (November 20, 2018 at 11:02 am)Bucky Ball Wrote: Right now, ONLY men have to register, (in the US) when they are 18, or they can't get student loans or government employment.
Yeah, they still do that. Only men.... blatant discrimination. The first thing that has to happen, is that everyone should do something.
They don't then, have to all volunteer for combat.
You're conflating selective service/ conscription with volunteering to serve.
But, sure, I'm in favor of having women required to register for selective service when they're 18. The US hasn't had a draft in over 40 years and it has little chance of being resurrected so it would be symbolic, anyway.
It could, however, help women gain equality in other arenas of US society and it's about damn time for that. So yeah, bring on selective service.
-Teresa
I actually "conflating" nothing. I am well aware of the difference.
I suggested everyone should be required to serve, and if people want only volunteers FROM the already serving "everyone" set, then fine.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 20, 2018 at 10:21 pm
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(November 20, 2018 at 10:16 pm)Bucky Ball Wrote: (November 20, 2018 at 10:10 pm)Tres Leches Wrote: You're conflating selective service/ conscription with volunteering to serve.
But, sure, I'm in favor of having women required to register for selective service when they're 18. The US hasn't had a draft in over 40 years and it has little chance of being resurrected so it would be symbolic, anyway.
It could, however, help women gain equality in other arenas of US society and it's about damn time for that. So yeah, bring on selective service.
-Teresa
I actually "conflating" nothing. I am well aware of the difference.
I suggested everyone should be required to serve, and if people want only volunteers FROM the already serving "everyone" set, then fine.
Yes, I re-read your original post and didn't quite understand it the 2nd time. And I'm sorry, I don't quite get your very last point above. But no matter. I'm on board with whatever brings equal rights for all and it sounds like you are too.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 21, 2018 at 12:19 am
(This post was last modified: November 21, 2018 at 12:24 am by CarveTheFive.)
(November 20, 2018 at 9:35 pm)tackattack Wrote: (November 20, 2018 at 7:36 pm)CarveTheFive Wrote: I’ve enjoyed serving my fellow man by sucking his cock. That doesn’t mean I think it’s something everyone should have to do.
If it's beneficial to the society as a whole why wouldn't you want everyone to do it? Seems like it's more selfish than selfless though, and societally I'm down with the benefit to the greater good being a team approach
I think the military is horrible for society.
I also think every American who has “served” in a foreign war or conflict should be punished as a war criminal. So we’re not on the same page. At all.
Quote:I'm in favor of having women required to register for selective service when they're 18. The US hasn't had a draft in over 40 years and it has little chance of being resurrected so it would be symbolic, anyway.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 21, 2018 at 12:32 am
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(November 21, 2018 at 12:19 am)CarveTheFive Wrote: I think the military is horrible for society.
I also think every American who has “served” in a foreign war or conflict should be punished as a war criminal. So we’re not on the same page. At all. Don't you think it might be important for them to have..you know, actually committed war crimes? Just a thought.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 21, 2018 at 12:41 am
(November 21, 2018 at 12:19 am)CarveTheFive Wrote: I also think every American who has “served” in a foreign war or conflict should be punished as a war criminal. So we’re not on the same page. At all.
Lol I'm a war criminal. You're a regular genius---far before your time, shame.
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 21, 2018 at 12:45 am
(November 21, 2018 at 12:32 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: (November 21, 2018 at 12:19 am)CarveTheFive Wrote: I think the military is horrible for society.
I also think every American who has “served” in a foreign war or conflict should be punished as a war criminal. So we’re not on the same page. At all. Don't you think it might be important for them to have..you know, actually committed war crimes? Just a thought.
Well, I was down there in the engine room helping deliver the mega-baby burning nukes that haven't been used since '45. Not feeling a lot of guilt. #pogueservice 
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 21, 2018 at 12:48 am
Quote:I cannot imagine this "government handout" occurring today.
They'd contract it out to Monsanto who would use the data to sue farmers for using their dirt!
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 21, 2018 at 12:48 am
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You missed out on all the fun. It was basically a my lai-a-thon all day erryday for me. 
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: conscription and selective service
November 21, 2018 at 8:13 am
(November 21, 2018 at 12:32 am)Gae Bolga Wrote: (November 21, 2018 at 12:19 am)CarveTheFive Wrote: I think the military is horrible for society.
I also think every American who has “served” in a foreign war or conflict should be punished as a war criminal. So we’re not on the same page. At all. Don't you think it might be important for them to have..you know, actually committed war crimes? Just a thought.
No. I think they should be treated unfairly to deter young people from enlisting
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