God can make infinitely more special/valuable things than this universe

[Belacqua]

The thought of my existence of being a mere poker chip, pawn for the glorification of a super cognition is a horrifying prospect if it were true. 

So you're looking at the bad things that happen in the world, and judging that if there is a God your existence to him is that of being a mere poker chip, pawn for the glorification of a super cognition. 

So you do know that if there were a God, he would be thinking in this way. That an omniscience might think differently than you do about these things isn't a possibility.

---

Does Harry Potter has unlimited supply of mana? Can he teleport to the moon if enough magical preparation is done?

As far as I can tell, the Potter books are a skillfully assembled collection of cliches designed to flatter the reader and reinforce certain status quo values. 

Christianity can do these things as well. At their best, however, the various religions can challenge us to think less of ourselves, have some humility, and realize that there is a great deal beyond us. Since the erosion of the ego is the beginning of kindness, wisdom, and compassion, this is a good thing.

[Brian37]

The thought of my existence of being a mere poker chip, pawn for the glorification of a super cognition is a horrifying prospect if it were true. 

So you're looking at the bad things that happen in the world, and judging that if there is a God your existence to him is that of being a mere poker chip, pawn for the glorification of a super cognition. 

So you do know that if there were a God, he would be thinking in this way. That an omniscience might think differently than you do about these things isn't a possibility.

I could give a shit less what this claimed being people claim is real thought. Of course I wouldn't do it like that under the claim of "all powerful" and especially with "all loving".
Imagine parents interviewing a baby sitter, and the potential baby sitter said the following.
Baby sitter, "I have baby sat 99 children. 33 of them while I was baby sitting, a child molester knocked on the door and attempted to enter, but I stopped them before they entered. 33 I let enter and molest the kid, but beat the fuck out of them afterwords. 33 I let the molester go and will wait until he dies to punish them, but no help for the kid while it was happening."
Please tell me you would not hire such a selective baby sitter. Now again, this cosmic baby sitter isn't a mere mortal according to believers, but one who can be 100% efficient. 
Sorry, the logic isn't there.

[Belacqua]

Of course I wouldn't do it like that under the claim of "all powerful" and especially with "all loving".

OK, so we're back to the idea that you know what an all powerful and all loving God would do, and you judge that those things aren't happening. 

Sorry, the logic isn't there.

You have a very clear image of what God would be doing if he were real. Anyone who accepts your premises -- that a God would have used time more efficiently to invent people sooner, and that he would allow less human suffering -- would no doubt agree with you.

[Brian37]

Of course I wouldn't do it like that under the claim of "all powerful" and especially with "all loving".

OK, so we're back to the idea that you know what an all powerful and all loving God would do, and you judge that those things aren't happening. 

Sorry, the logic isn't there.

You have a very clear image of what God would be doing if he were real. Anyone who accepts your premises -- that a God would have used time more efficiently to invent people sooner, and that he would allow less human suffering -- would no doubt agree with you.

Nope sorry, you do not get to blame me for reacting to the parameters I am not claiming merely for responding to crappy logic.

You might as well be arguing, " How do you know why Santa gives you presents or puts coal in your stocking since you are not Santa."

[brewer]

1. If God is supposedly all powerful, with the ability to create supposedly infinitely far more special things than universes (all while being enormously effortless for God to supposedly do), why do Christians feel themselves or the universe to be so special?

2. Why do Christians feel they or the universe is so special, despite that God would have supposedly easily created infinitely more valuable, infinitely more special things than this universe, within his supposed omnipotency?

3. Note: This universe is by far, theistically describable as not the best God could create, and in theistic theory, God would have in his supposed omnipotency, created far better, far more valuable things.

4. Or is the famed theistic supposedly omnipotent God, ironically limited to creations of merely the level of the specialness or value of this universe?


In simpler words, if we go by the definition of omnipotence, this would indicate that this universe's creation is not the end of God's supposedly unending power.

Because god is only a concept made by man, the more that man discovers, the less godlike god(s) becomes.

[Belacqua]

Nope sorry, you do not get to blame me for reacting to the parameters I am not claiming merely for responding to crappy logic.

You might as well be arguing, " How do you know why Santa gives you presents or puts coal in your stocking since you are not Santa."

Maybe I'm not understanding you. Let me put it another way. 

Do you find this syllogism sound?

~ If there were a good God, X, Y, and Z would happen.
~ X, Y, and Z don't happen.
~ Therefore, there isn't a good God. 

The trouble I see with this is that we have no way of knowing if the initial premise is true. We can say what we prefer, or we can say what we think we would do in his shoes, but there is no way for us to know, really. 

But if my logic is bad here please let me know. I may be mischaracterizing your argument.

[Brian37]

1. If God is supposedly all powerful, with the ability to create supposedly infinitely far more special things than universes (all while being enormously effortless for God to supposedly do), why do Christians feel themselves or the universe to be so special?

2. Why do Christians feel they or the universe is so special, despite that God would have supposedly easily created infinitely more valuable, infinitely more special things than this universe, within his supposed omnipotency?

3. Note: This universe is by far, theistically describable as not the best God could create, and in theistic theory, God would have in his supposed omnipotency, created far better, far more valuable things.

4. Or is the famed theistic supposedly omnipotent God, ironically limited to creations of merely the level of the specialness or value of this universe?


In simpler words, if we go by the definition of omnipotence, this would indicate that this universe's creation is not the end of God's supposedly unending power.

Because god is only a concept made by man, the more that man discovers, the less godlike god(s) becomes.

BINGO....

Most humans WORLDWIDE simply buy what is around them. It stems from our socializing but can be and far too often is based on complete falsehoods. If theist logic worked the way they claimed, then Ra the Egyptian polytheistic sun God would be real because of the 3,000 year successful history of that ancient society based on those false beliefs.

Humans don't like thinking of themselves as being finite. But the more we discover factual science the less room superstition has to grow.

[Gwaithmir]

Theists have low standards. Their god can produce miracles, but only miracles that aren't too complex. "Parting an ocean at low tide"? No sweat. "Creating humans who aren't innately dicks"? Much harder, no can do.

And he always needs MONEY!

[Brian37]

Nope sorry, you do not get to blame me for reacting to the parameters I am not claiming merely for responding to crappy logic.

You might as well be arguing, " How do you know why Santa gives you presents or puts coal in your stocking since you are not Santa."

Maybe I'm not understanding you. Let me put it another way. 

Do you find this syllogism sound?

~ If there were a good God, X, Y, and Z would happen.
~ X, Y, and Z don't happen.
~ Therefore, there isn't a good God. 

The trouble I see with this is that we have no way of knowing if the initial premise is true. We can say what we prefer, or we can say what we think we would do in his shoes, but there is no way for us to know, really. 

But if my logic is bad here please let me know. I may be mischaracterizing your argument.

Is Allah true to you by default?
Is Vishnu true to you by default?
Is Apollo true to you by default?
Am I dating Angelina Jolie because I like the idea true by default?

I had a syllogism once, but went to the doctor, got a shot for it and it cleared up. 

What would be so bad if you found out this was it? I do not fear a fictional afterlife anymore than I fear life was like 4 billion years ago when I also did not exist. 

Good logic does not presume a gap answer from the start. Good logic is based on prior CONFIRMED data beyond personal bias.

It makes much more sense to me that humans are merely projecting their own qualities in fictional form. Much like a dog or cat can confuse it's reflection in the mirror as being a separate real thing.

I'd rather spend my life accepting my finite existence as it is, without postulating superstition in as a gap answer.

[tackattack]

Not to the point

---

Funny I thought the problem was a supposedly omnipotent God, ironically limited to creations within this universe. I have, time and again, here and in RL, considered that there is no super cognition, and that is simply merely a reflection of human's qualities in fictional form. You straw man is still full of straw man and seems to have a lot of emotional baggage. No claim in here was regarding the morality of any God, much less your shopping mall security guard version. Me thinks you're less of an atheist than you think. I believe you just don't like any prescribed God. Are you sure you're not an agnostic anti-theist? Whatever's good for you. See how that last paragraph meant nothing related to the OP or addressed any points or furthered the conversation. It's not addressing bad logic. You're trying to establish I have an insurmountable personal bias that won't allow me to see the truth you see. Don't you think if I constantly, in every thread, addressed your non-belief in God as an insurmountable bias preventing you from seeing God's power without any evidence at all and completely ignoring the points of discussion that I'd get my peepee smacked? That's what reading your posts can be like sometimes.

---

To the point: Gawdzilla, Theists do have low standards and are usually pretty unimaginative. It's hard to give the gift of volition/choice, without first having options and allowing them to be made. I don't blame people being dicks on God. What's that saying it takes religion to make god people do evil things?

To the OP I answered your questions, posed a question of my own and pointed out your logical fallacy that point 2 would be justified by point 1.