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US - raise the gas tax
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(November 28, 2018 at 5:35 pm)Chad32 Wrote: It probably doesn't help that, since we live in such a big country, families may need to travel a lot to see each other regularly, so we need our gas to be pretty cheap.

NO, we need to get off gas. The price, high or low, does not matter. It will cost the world more in pollution, natural disasters, crop failures, basically hurting global stability.
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#22
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I would prefer we got off it too, especially since we're getting into conflicts with other countries just over oil. Or making alliances with horrible countries just because they have oil.
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#23
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Ya just don't get it.

For a bunch of " SJW" s  it seems you don't see further than your wallet.

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A gas tax is for one thing - to leave some for future generations.....


Oil is finite. You' re condemming future generations - and they will curse the gluttons.

Expecting " alternative power" to replace hydrocarbons is akin to the Jebus sniffers expecting him to return and save them from Armaggedon.

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I' m glad I never had kids.
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#24
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Since when do governments see past their next election?
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#25
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(November 27, 2018 at 10:13 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(November 27, 2018 at 10:05 am)Jörmungandr Wrote: Gas, like food, seems to be a necessary commodity for many people and so is a subsistence good.  It is required in order to live and exercise one's basic rights.  As such, taxing it for the purpose of achieving other goods, or at all, tends to be regressive, and thus preferably discouraged.  Progressive taxes are, according to most, preferred over regressive taxes, and there is no shortage of possible progressive taxes we could use to achieve the same goals.  The fact that the affluent would not be particularly affected by such a tax is a negative.

Um no, gas is not a necessity. It is an addiction protected by global oil greed. 

If humanity had been listening to scientists back in the late 1800s when it was first calculated as to the amount of dangerous CO2 levels could harm the planet, if industry had done the right thing back then, innovation for clean energy could have succeeded by now.

We even had solar technology starting in the early 1900s. 

It isn't a matter of too much tax or no taxes, or too much regulation vs no regulation. It is a matter of stopping monopolies of power and getting global industry to compete to solve problems, not always compete to grow.

Yes, I am addicted to not walking along highways for the few hours it would take me to get to work with no side walks and 3 kids in tow. That is my greatest vice.
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#26
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I would be in favor of a modest hike in gasoline tax (maybe $0.50/gallon) if the revenues were put into tax credits or rebates for those who buy electric cars.

I can see both sides.

Electric cars with practical range are still expensive because of the cost of producing the batteries. They are simply out of the range of many consumers. So we don't want to put too much pressure on people who simply can't afford to go electric.

On the other hand, battery-electric cars are clearly the future. We MUST go there - the sooner, the better. If it takes government manipulation of economic incentives to force the issue, that's what we need to do.

The data is in. We MUST get off of fossil fuels. The wide-spread adoption of battery-electric vehicles is a major component of doing that. We NEED to do it. If it takes government manipulation, so be it.
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(November 28, 2018 at 4:23 pm)adey67 Wrote: I always have to smile somewhat ruefully when I see Americans complain at the price of petrol. In the good old US of A the average cost per litre is between $ 0.70 and. $0.85.  in the UK its £ 1:39. If our petrol cost 85 cents I reckon there would be dancing in the streets.

Price today in GER: 1,5€/l = 6,80$/usgal Read

By the way: what happened here when gas got more expensive is people buying more andmore useless heavy 2t brocks called "SUV". "Why" you may ask? Because the auto manufacturers designed more efficient engines (like those common rail diesels). In effect the vehicles still use less pretol after having increased in weight from like 1t in average to 1,5-1,8 (gonna get worse with electric vehicles). Of course with only 1t vehicles mileage nowadays would be insane, but hey, be honest, who wants to miss his extra cup holder or A/C? Wacky
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#28
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Quote:I' m glad I never had kids.

I agree - I'm also glad you never had kids.

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#29
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(November 28, 2018 at 11:17 pm)Losty Wrote:
(November 27, 2018 at 10:13 am)Brian37 Wrote: Um no, gas is not a necessity. It is an addiction protected by global oil greed. 

If humanity had been listening to scientists back in the late 1800s when it was first calculated as to the amount of dangerous CO2 levels could harm the planet, if industry had done the right thing back then, innovation for clean energy could have succeeded by now.

We even had solar technology starting in the early 1900s. 

It isn't a matter of too much tax or no taxes, or too much regulation vs no regulation. It is a matter of stopping monopolies of power and getting global industry to compete to solve problems, not always compete to grow.

Yes, I am addicted to not walking along highways for the few hours it would take me to get to work with no side walks and 3 kids in tow. That is my greatest vice.

I hope you are not missing my point. I am not blaming anyone for doing what they need to do as individuals. I am blaming oil companies and governments for not funding clean energy long ago. Nobody is suggesting we stop making transportation, just move away from fossil burning transportation.
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#30
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One really good way to get people to drive fewer KM is to reduce urban sprawl. Here are a few ideas:

1. Stop building communities that are so car reliant.

2. Promote mixed-use developments.

3. Increase funding for public transport and make good public transport more accessible.

4. Make areas more walkable.

5. Promote cycling and make roads safer for cyclists.

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