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RE: Jesus Attended a Wedding While Also in the Wilderness
November 29, 2018 at 5:33 pm
(November 27, 2018 at 7:46 pm)Minimalist Wrote: How can you have "baptism....sort of?" Either you tried to drown the fuck or you didn't!
Maybe, they weren't baptists and just sprinkled... you know... not a "real" baptism.
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RE: Jesus Attended a Wedding While Also in the Wilderness
November 29, 2018 at 5:37 pm
You guys are so funny, thinking there is only one jesus.
Being told you're delusional does not necessarily mean you're mental.
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RE: Jesus Attended a Wedding While Also in the Wilderness
November 29, 2018 at 5:50 pm
(November 29, 2018 at 5:33 pm)tackattack Wrote: (November 27, 2018 at 7:46 pm)Minimalist Wrote: How can you have "baptism....sort of?" Either you tried to drown the fuck or you didn't!
Maybe, they weren't baptists and just sprinkled... you know... not a "real" baptism.
Quote:A drunk stumbles along a Baptismal service on a Sunday afternoon down by the river. He proceeds to stumble down into the water and stands next to the Minister. The Minister turns, notices the old drunk and says, "Mister, are you ready to find Jesus?"
The drunk looks back and says, "Yes sir, I am."
The Minister then dunks the fellow under the water and pulls him right back up.
"Have you found Jesus?" the Minister asked.
"No, I didn't!" said the drunk.
The Minister then dunks him under for a quite a bit longer, brings him up and says, "Now brother, have you found Jesus?"
"No, I did not!" said the drunk again.
Disgusted, the Minister holds the man under for at least 30 seconds this time, brings him up and demands, "For the grace of God, have you found Jesus yet?!!!??"
The old drunk wipes his eyes and pleads, "Are you sure this is where he fell in?"
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RE: Jesus Attended a Wedding While Also in the Wilderness
November 30, 2018 at 12:30 am
It's difficult if you don't apply critical thinking fully to both texts.
Mark and John are two very different books, even though they one of the four Gospels in the Bible.
Mark's account is meant to be sequential, so you go from the baptism straight into other events, including the gathering of apostles and temptation. During that time, John the Baptist was in prison. In fact, it clearly states that in Mark 1:14 "Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,..."
The book of Mark is meant to be a compressed rundown of events that took place with Jesus as the focal point. If you look at the Synoptic Gospels, there are 28 chapters in Matthew, 24 in Luke, but only 16 in Mark.
John isn't a Synoptic Gospel, and the focal point surrounds Christ, but differently. It focuses more on things like miracles and it doesn't even mention the temptation, as well as various other events, but it was intended that way.
So back to understanding what is going on in John compared to Luke. The event isn't being recalled as it's taking place. It's John the Baptist testifying of that event afterwards. When you get to the Marriage Feast in Cana, it's referring to a separate event that took place afterwards. The difficult part is when you get to the mention of the third day, because there are two distinct possibilities. It could either be a continuation of events already mentioned, but it's also possible it's specific to the marriage feast, because a traditional marriage ceremony lasted around 5-7 days, so it could be the third day of that ceremony.
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RE: Jesus Attended a Wedding While Also in the Wilderness
November 30, 2018 at 8:14 am
(November 27, 2018 at 7:38 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
] Actually it does state that the events were not at the same time Boru. Taking the verse in context with the surrounding verses John 1:19-35 state this is is John's testimony of when the Jews and Levites asked him who he was. These events had to obviously happened prior to him witnessing and then testifying about them.
The day after the testimony Philip and Nathanael began following the Lord, so the Lord must have been close by
Two days after his testimony day John runs into Jesus at a wedding.
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RE: Jesus Attended a Wedding While Also in the Wilderness
November 30, 2018 at 6:14 pm
(November 30, 2018 at 8:14 am)tackattack Wrote: (November 27, 2018 at 7:38 pm)BrianSoddingBoru4 Wrote:
] Actually it does state that the events were not at the same time Boru. Taking the verse in context with the surrounding verses John 1:19-35 state this is is John's testimony of when the Jews and Levites asked him who he was. These events had to obviously happened prior to him witnessing and then testifying about them.
The day after the testimony Philip and Nathanael began following the Lord, so the Lord must have been close by
Two days after his testimony day John runs into Jesus at a wedding.
This makes more sense. If I had to give my best guess, the testimony is probably an account of while John was in prison. This would've been an event removed from the wilderness. We also have to remember much of the setting of John's life was in the wilderness. He was considered somewhat of a "wild man" and it talked of him eating locusts and wild honey. Of course we also know he was beheaded, so he wouldn't have returned to the wilderness.
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