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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 13, 2018 at 3:22 pm
(December 13, 2018 at 3:15 pm)Amarok Wrote: (December 13, 2018 at 3:14 pm)T0 Th3 M4X Wrote: Your version, their version. They know Kung Fu, so you lose by default. No versions . So no actual answer then and you were just caught equivocating
That's your take on it, but what's observed is something else. But if it's simply "non-belief" then by what belief can you invalidate someone else? You're not making sense. You are your version of atheism and someone else is their version. If you think your version is special, then think it's special. Version #2, #3, #4 probably think their version is equally special.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 13, 2018 at 3:27 pm
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You seem to be of the opinion that saying "that's just your take" turns everything into a wash, Max. You're wrong..and this stands as a case in point about how, between two people, one of them actually can be wrong and so everything isn't actually a wash.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 13, 2018 at 3:40 pm
Quote:That's your take on it, but what's observed is something else.
Nope that's they take on it
Quote: But if it's simply "non-belief" then by what belief can you invalidate someone else?
By the fact that's what it is nothing more .
Quote: You're not making sense.
Makes perfect sense
Quote:You are your version of atheism and someone else is their version.
Nope because their are no versions and people say their are are not atheists
Quote: If you think your version is special,
It's not special it's right
Quote:then think it's special. Version #2, #3, #4 probably think their version is equally special.
Nope because their are no versions and people say their are are not atheists
You can keep saying this all day long there are no versions of atheism
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 13, 2018 at 3:40 pm
(December 13, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You seem to be of the opinion that saying "that's just your take" turns everything into a wash, Max. You're wrong..and this stands as a case in point about how, between two people, one of them actually can be wrong and so everything isn't actually a wash.
One person saying "you're wrong" doesn't validate an argument anymore than another person saying "you're wrong."
Definitions in society that have legality behind them and are necessary for a society to function do have validity, because we have to observe them even if we don't agree with them. So him saying "you're wrong" to it doesn't hold weight. If someone says they are an "atheist" and believes they are an "atheist" then they have any and all legal protections applied to that belief. It doesn't mean he can't believe his version is correct, but it only applies to himself or anyone else who adheres to that viewpoint. It can't invalidate other atheists and their right to declare themselves atheists or to be recognized as such.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 13, 2018 at 3:41 pm
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(December 13, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You seem to be of the opinion that saying "that's just your take" turns everything into a wash, Max. You're wrong..and this stands as a case in point about how, between two people, one of them actually can be wrong and so everything isn't actually a wash. I know it's his default too poo poo away criticism
Quote:One person saying "you're wrong" doesn't validate an argument anymore than another person saying "you're wrong."
Accept when one side is wrong
Quote:Definitions in society that have legality behind them and are necessary for a society to function do have validity,
Yup and atheism is already defined regardless of societies opinions
Quote: because we have to observe them even if we don't agree with them.
Yup and atheism is already defined regardless of societies opinions
Quote: So him saying "you're wrong" to it doesn't hold weight.
Actually it does because they are
Quote: If someone says they are an "atheist" and believes they are an "atheist" then they have any and all legal protections applied to that belief.
Which does change the term or make them right
Quote: It doesn't mean he can't believe his version is correct,
It is correct
Quote:but it only applies to himself or anyone else who adheres to that viewpoint.
Nope the term atheist applies to every atheist your either fit it or you don't
Quote: It can't invalidate other atheists and their right to declare themselves atheists or to be recognized as such.
They can declare themselves anything they like if they don't fit they aren't atheist they aren't atheists. They can call themselves a fruit roll up it doesn't make them one .
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 13, 2018 at 4:11 pm
(December 13, 2018 at 3:41 pm)Amarok Wrote: (December 13, 2018 at 3:27 pm)Gae Bolga Wrote: You seem to be of the opinion that saying "that's just your take" turns everything into a wash, Max. You're wrong..and this stands as a case in point about how, between two people, one of them actually can be wrong and so everything isn't actually a wash. I know it's his default too poo poo away criticism
Quote:One person saying "you're wrong" doesn't validate an argument anymore than another person saying "you're wrong."
Accept when one side is wrong
Quote:Definitions in society that have legality behind them and are necessary for a society to function do have validity,
Yup and atheism is already defined regardless of societies opinions
Quote: because we have to observe them even if we don't agree with them.
Yup and atheism is already defined regardless of societies opinions
Quote: So him saying "you're wrong" to it doesn't hold weight.
Actually it does because they are
Quote: If someone says they are an "atheist" and believes they are an "atheist" then they have any and all legal protections applied to that belief.
Which does change the term or make them right
Quote: It doesn't mean he can't believe his version is correct,
It is correct
Quote:but it only applies to himself or anyone else who adheres to that viewpoint.
Nope the term atheist applies to every atheist your either fit it or you don't
Quote: It can't invalidate other atheists and their right to declare themselves atheists or to be recognized as such.
They can declare themselves anything they like if they don't fit they aren't atheist they aren't atheists. They can call themselves a fruit roll up it doesn't make them one . Maybe your side is wrong. Everybody thinks their opinion is right, which is why it's an opinion. Anyway, gotta bounce. Cheers. 
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 13, 2018 at 4:42 pm
Quote:Maybe your side is wrong.
Nope
Quote:Everybody thinks their opinion is right, which is why it's an opinion.
It's not an opinion
Quote:Anyway, gotta bounce. Cheers.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 13, 2018 at 6:42 pm
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Quote:Do you expect me to believe YOU or my lying eyes?
Me because i'm pretty sure i have a better grasp on my thoughts when writing then your eyes dumbass
Quote:Every one of those can be classified as beliefs since they are in no way quantifiable / provable.
Thank you for your honesty.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 13, 2018 at 7:05 pm
(December 9, 2018 at 9:51 am)Agnostico Wrote: I don't because the only thing I believe in is knowledge.
Epic. Fail.
Aside from  I'll simply say that I don't believe that atheism is a belief.
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RE: Is atheism a belief?
December 13, 2018 at 9:33 pm
(December 13, 2018 at 7:05 pm)Paleophyte Wrote: (December 9, 2018 at 9:51 am)Agnostico Wrote: I don't because the only thing I believe in is knowledge.
Epic. Fail.
Aside from I'll simply say that I don't believe that atheism is a belief.
What a douche bag.
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